Henry J. Waternoose to a "T"

[pitbulllady]

I came across this, actually, on one of the anti-AR groups I belong to. The poster put this information up so it can be compared to Wayne Pacelli, the rich and powerful CEO of the Humane Society of the United States(HSUS), and it most certainly does fit him, but even more, it's almost a perfect decription of ANOTHER CEO. See what y'all think:

Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.



Glibness and Superficial Charm


Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.


Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.


Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.


Incapacity for Love


Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.


Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.


Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.


Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.


Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.


Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

With the possible exceptions of "Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle" and MAYBE "Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity" and PERHAPS "Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Deliquincy", it would definitely fit Henry J. pretty darn well. Thing is, we don't know about his childhood, other than he was born into a rich and affluent and influential family, so if he had been involved in any sort of behavior problems or criminal activity, his family would have covered it up and gotten him off the hook, and authorities would have been afraid to take steps against his behavior for fear of the family seeking retribution in some form or another. We also do not know about his personal life-whether he was married, had kids, had a mistress(or two...or three)on the side, or what. I DO know that he's not wearing a wedding band, though, and if monsters have that tradition in common with us, it would indicate that Waternoose was single at the time. There is no indication that he had kids, anyone he planned on leaving the company to, or rather, his shares in the company, and I have to wonder if he weren't actively "grooming" a surrogate "son", James P. Sullivan, for that honor. Given how we see him treat Sulley later, and how he treats Randall, it doesn't take too much of a stretch of imagination to see him involved with a lot of other unsavory activities.

pitbulllady

[sgtyayap]

Good timing, considering the anti-S373 campaign we are both part of.

Anyway, I guess it never occurred to me how much Pacelli is like Waternoose. Still, I guess that's business executives for you.

[pitbulllady]

Jan 1, 2010 14:20:42 GMT -5 @sgtyayap said:

Good timing, considering the anti-S373 campaign we are both part of.

Anyway, I guess it never occurred to me how much Pacelli is like Waternoose. Still, I guess that's business executives for you.

And the thing is with both of them, it's a family thing. They've been taught this since they were barely old enough to walk, so they both believe it's their birthright to treat others like this, to get their way all the time. The link between Pacelli and the Genovese mob clan has already been established, so I'd have to wonder at just which crime syndicate that Waternoose was connected to in the Monster World.

pitbulllady

[mentalguru]

Him having the door like that could very much so have been 'passed' down the generations. And he knows the code- so he's either used it before or been VERY prepared for the eventuality. Plus I kind of... thought he had some inkling of human sentience unlike with Randall, which is just freaky (he OVERESTIMATED Boo's abilities as a witness after all... mmmm.)

It's the fact that he could fake love for someone (Sulley) also however which ultimately made me think of Waternoose as a creep. The way he treated Randall just added to it all in all.


It's not that the guy is unpleasent but... the fact that he's SO fake and he pretends to be the good guy, so much so that fans even fall for it as already mentioned elsewhere. You're fine perhaps if... you have something he wants or not someone who hinders his progress. But sometimes not even THEN...

I don't like Waternoose ships... at ALL (about the sexual thing... ew). The very idea freaks me out and makes me want to go for the 'mind-bleach', but as mentioned a while back by PBL he does come off as being like a child-groomer almost.

So that comment about SULLEY being groomed made me feel ill to the highest degree. The WORST SHIP THAT COULD EVER BE SPAWNED WOULD BE THAT ONE OTHER THAN BOO. Or perhaps with Randall.

Ew.

And a part of Sulley probably still 'loves' the guy even after it all. Poor shmuck is probably wondering how much of the fatherly relationship was a lie or whether there was any real affection. The evidence states that there was probably very little in reality when it came to the crunch and not enough after all even to try and cut a deal, but that wouldn't stop Sulley from wondering. After all, even he seemed desperate, and not being a great actor- there was probably more truth to that "It doesn't have to be this way!" then just acting, I could feel REAL emotion there after all. Sulley could still be used by Waternoose- this small part of him who perhaps still 'hopes'.

(A key thing in potentially abusive relationships.)

Waternoose if he plays his cards right... well he's completely lost any control over Randall (who knows the truth, and would have to be an idiot to return to him)... but Sulley? It's possible... he didn't suffer under Waternoose in the LONG-TERM except perhaps in the after math (and even cvould have been just that small part of anger which also figured in Randall's exile- face it, after a day where the man you felt was your father betrayed you, the kid you have strong feelings for trying to be taken away by someone and almost being killed and hurt, you are probably not going to be in the best of states to make good moral decisions most of the time.)

Even behind bars Waternoose could have influence over him if he took the incentive however over all. Sulley probably has that small part of him who still thinks of him as a father. And my personal theory for that reason is because either he doesn't get on with his real dad (mother's boy?) OR his real dad is dead and buried.

Waternoose can sure pick people he can use well. And his scare floor visits are probably to keep up appearnces , maintain contacts, forge and break ties he wants between ... certain workers... and learn more about potential pawns files couldn't tell him.

Waternoose: in the end he only really cares about number one.

[sgtyayap]

Indeed. Any pairing involving Waternoose is disgusting. Worst part about it is that the ships DO exist; I can't avoid a single piece of WaternooseXRandall art lately when I check to see how popular my campaign art is.

In any case, I NEVER felt sorry for Waternoose once I figured out what a psycho he was. Depressing how the blame's taken out on Randall simply because, as one person on Pixar Planet put it to me via PM, Randall was "evil" throughout.

[pitbulllady]

Jan 1, 2010 19:22:03 GMT -5 @sgtyayap said:

Indeed. Any pairing involving Waternoose is disgusting. Worst part about it is that the ships DO exist; I can't avoid a single piece of WaternooseXRandall art lately when I check to see how popular my campaign art is.

In any case, I NEVER felt sorry for Waternoose once I figured out what a psycho he was. Depressing how the blame's taken out on Randall simply because, as one person on Pixar Planet put it to me via PM, Randall was "evil" throughout.

That is what's so naive...or rather, just plain stupid...about those people who think that Waternoose is less of a villain because he didn't show his true colors until near the end of the movie. They are totally clueless, which means that they will ultimately be easy marks for people just like Waternoose, who know that those people will trust them 100%. Apparently, the term "back-stabber" is unknown to those pathetic little N00bs, as well as the old, but very true, adage, " a pretend friend is much worse than an overt enemy".

I haven't run into any Waternoose 'ships, so far, and really don't want to. Nothing about the guy is a turn-on, I can tell you that much! I'd suspect he'd had a lot of "ex-Mrs. Waternooses" in the Monster World, much as many of our rich-and-famous people tend to do, with the press tuning in to see who will be the "flava of the month". It could be that his lack of fidelity is the reason he apparently has no legitimate heirs. When I said that he was "grooming" Sulley as his successor, though, that is what I meant-he was preparing Sulley to be the heir of his company shares, treating him as his real son, getting Sulley to think of him as a father...then betraying that relationship so callously when it became apparent that Sulley knew too much as wasn't going to go along with the plan. It wouldn't surprise me if Randall's own psychological need for a father figure and subsequent need for praise and reassurance from such a figure was what caught Waternoose's eye(along with Randall's employee profile, which must have mentioned something of his aptitude for mechanics, technology, etc.)in the first place, making him realize that this young upstart was a good candidate for that little project.

pitbulllady

[RandallBoggs]

From what I recall....Waternoose is around 123/132 or such when he inherited M.I. He went to an Ivy League School and apparently, which is rather curious, was either a Scarer or a Trainer himself at some point in his life given the "Waternoose Jump & Growl technique". However, that technique could have been done by his father or grandfather and so Henry is taking the credit despite not doing it.

[pitbulllady]

Jan 1, 2010 20:15:23 GMT -5 RandallBoggs said:

From what I recall....Waternoose is around 123/132 or such when he inherited M.I. He went to an Ivy League School and apparently, which is rather curious, was either a Scarer or a Trainer himself at some point in his life given the "Waternoose Jump & Growl technique". However, that technique could have been done by his father or grandfather and so Henry is taking the credit despite not doing it.

It very well COULD have been invented by his father or grandfather, but I mean, that technique isn't exactly that original, now is it? My dogs can do that! It's just really hard to imagine the current Waternoose actually WORKING, doing the whole nine-to-five, punch-a-time-clock thing at all, not someone of his wealth and priviledge. The generationally-wealthy, those who inherit family fortunes, don't know what "work" is! Being a born con artist means that you never have to work an honest hour in your life, since you can always use someone else to do it for you.

pitbulllady

[RandallBoggs]

Indeed. And since the Waternooses themselves are rather vicious in terms of how they hande things, my guess it was Henry J. Waternoose the first who had did this, before the Waternoose took CEO control of Monsters Inc. when it became that from Monsters Lmt.

[mistica0christina]

Jan 1, 2010 19:22:03 GMT -5 @sgtyayap said:

Indeed. Any pairing involving Waternoose is disgusting. Worst part about it is that the ships DO exist; I can't avoid a single piece of WaternooseXRandall art lately when I check to see how popular my campaign art is.

In any case, I NEVER felt sorry for Waternoose once I figured out what a psycho he was. Depressing how the blame's taken out on Randall simply because, as one person on Pixar Planet put it to me via PM, Randall was "evil" throughout.

I've only seen one picture about a Waternoose ship which was this Waternoose x Randall bit but that's mainly all I've seen actually...still, that is gross...I can't imagine Waternoose being someone who could actually love...although that thing about the sexual abuse and rape...I can actually imagine Waternoose being the type to do that to someone...

Yep, after reading this, it sounds like him!

[mentalguru]

Being morbidly curious, I went to see that picture on DevArt. I actually saw it a while back but I didn't make the immediate connection that it WAS Waternoose actually. I'm used to referring to him as 'Waternoose' rather than Henry so I didn't make the connection even with the suit, and they both looked so odd I just wondered- "Is Randall making goo goo eyes at an ELF or something? Okay weird."

I only noticed the crab legs this time around so now I'm like "Ah... Waternoose... ew."

With Sulley, I can sort of be okay with shipping, as long as I don't think too deeply about it- it's just like the idea of fathers/uncles with him for me, although... intellectually you know he might ahem... you just don't want to THINK about that sort of thing too much. Some Sulley things can be cute, but... no I can't think of it too deeply in that case.

With Waternoose though, ANY type of shipping is just gross, and heck let's look at Randall and his personality shall we?

Now I repeat- I think of Randall as straight. But let's just say for the case of argument he WAS gay- truth is I wouldn't ship him with Waternoose even so. Heck I wouldn't do it if the scream extarctor plot had never happened, because of WATERNOOSE'S personality.

Elsewhere PBL stated that Randall acts like he wants to be dominant when he's really submissive generally and the 'beta', while I slightly disagree in the context of Fungus, it sort of fits how I view Randall generally, and the type of partner he needs in life. Which would NEVER be someone like Waternoose even if he was gay!

Randall needs someone who isn't... demanding. Someone who doesn't try and MAKE him do things (unless they're trying to stop him hurting himself perhaps and in extreme situations that is), who is overall simply concerned for his well-being overall. Someone who isn't bossy and doesn't order him around. But all the same in a relationship, Randall would probably still want to do things for that person, to make them happy- but they'd never make him feel like he was being forced you know? He'd do it partially out of simply WANTING to do it because he cares about them, eventually.

I could see him perhaps you know arguing against someone all the same about doing/not doing something, and perhaps that other (more laid back) person going "Okay, okay fine." (Maybe not all the time, but most of the time. A person who can pick their battles most of the time- though all the time well, such a person doesn't really exist huh? But yeah.)

And then Randall probably ends up doing it for them anyway even if they DIDN'T seem that bothered about it in the end because that's kind of how I view him in a deep romantic relationship. Or heck even just in a deep friendship.


Randall is secretly... submissive probably underneath all the arguing. He'd want to DO things for the person he's with, heck sometimes whether THEY want him to do it or not. (You know protection and the like. They think they can handle it but Randall isn't happy over that idea perhaps and so puts his foot down where THAT'S concerned. Perhaps other things as well.)

I DO NOT want to see Randall with someone who would want to take advantage of that sort of thing. And Waternoose so would given his personality in such an... ew... 'relationship'., even without the whole scream extractor thing.

Randall needs someone who doesn't demand anything in return really, someone who just wants to be his friend for the sake of being his friend (or whatever), and besides I don't think anyone (with enough patience at least if they get to be his friend) WOULD really ever have to 'demand' much anyway if you get my drift.

Okay, enough on Randall- back to Waternoose!

Yeah, he does have some sociopathic tendencies. What interest me about the guy however s not only the creepiness of the fake friend thing but also what his family could be like WERE they reallyy much the same or was Waternoose just a bad apple? I think the former, but the latter is still possible...

[pitbulllady]

I firmly believe that Waternoose came from a long line of Sociopaths, a whole family who believed that it was their RIGHT to do as they pleased, and use others to get what they wanted. They saw nothing wrong with this at all; it was simply "the way things are done". There are generationally-wealthy families who ARE just like that, and I've had the misfortune of meeting a few myself. Henry J. had been taught that, through example, probably from birth, that other people were simply stepping stones to get where he wanted to be. He CAN'T feel guilt over it because in his sub-culture, the generationally affluent, this is often just an accepted way of life. It's like people at the opposite end of the socio-economic spectrum who see nothing wrong with joining a gang and selling drugs to make ends meet, or of enjoying the spectacle of watching two dogs rip each other to pieces. Children are raised from birth onward to accept these things as the norm, and to them, anything that is different is strange or wrong.

The thing with Randall is that I firmly believe that he KNEW what he was doing was wrong, otherwise he wouldn't have been so uptight about the whole thing. I see kids on a daily basis who sell drugs, who fight dogs, who have set fires to homes, and they aren't the least bit secretive about it. In fact, they openly brag about it. Randall flipped out when Mike accused him of cheating, so that moral conflict was clearly going on with him, pulling him apart, emotionally, between what he believed he HAD to do, and what he believed he SHOULD have done. Unfortunately, Randall has one major character flaw-he's a strong Type Two personality. He's compelled to seek out the attention and praise of others, no matter what. Some of that probably was due to his age, as I've said, but a lot of it was his personality type, too. Randall is a "people-pleaser". He will go to whatever length necessary to gain the respect and acknowledgement and praise of his peers, but even more, he will go to great lengths to gain those things from people who are his superiors. It's rather odd to think about it, but in a way, both he and Sulley probably look up to Henry J. Waternoose as a father figure. We don't know whether or not Sulley's real father was still alive, but we can be fairly sure that if Randall's was, he played no part in his son's life whatsoever, and probably had been AWOL for a very long time, making Randall even more desperate to seek the praises of someone he looked up to. Waternoose would, of course, have recognized that simple need for recognition, and exploited it to its fullest. By the time Randall realized the truth about his boss, that Waternoose was no friend at all, he would have already been too deeply embroiled in the project to simply walk away. I HAVE seen some fanfic writers and artists refer to Randall as "Waternoose's b***h", in the sense that he was under the complete control of the CEO, was being used by him, and had no real say in how he was treated. He just had to put up with it...that, and take it out on others around him, like Fungus or Mike and Sulley. It wasn't a sexual relationship, but more like an abusive parent-child relationship, one in which the person in control benefits from having that control, while the one BEING controlled gets nothing but hollow promises. THAT is how Sociopathic abusers function-they alternate promises of wonderful things or gifts with verbal and/or physical attacks and threats. They convince the abused that they are nothing without the abuser, they won't be successful unless they depend on the person abusing them, and of course, they see absolutely nothing wrong with treating someone else like that. Waternoose probably gave himself credit from what success Randall DID have, justifying his treatment of this employee on the grounds that if he hadn't given this "Scaly" a job in the first place, Randall would be out on the streets. I have to wonder just how completely Randall himself had come to believe that.

pitbulllady

[mentalguru]

Oh yeah I KNOW it isn't sexual... but for Randall to have ANYONE like that, who would continually demand from him... whether the relationship is romantic or platonic, it just would be bad for him you know?

It's not a good idea for someone like Randall to get involved with someone like Waternoose too deeply in ANY capacity IMO, whether the activities are legal or illegal. It just wouldn't be healthy.

I just think Randall in the end needs a friend who simply just wants to be his friend without really an ulterior motive and cares about his well being. (Don't we all?) But Randall particulary.

Waternoose could never be that person. He's always looking for people to use.

Sad really. A part of me almost pities him in a twisted way, because it does seem he is practically uncapable of love. What a depressing idea.

[RandallBoggs]

*looks between everyone* Uhh...how did a topic on Waternoose's personality become a "shipping" one? 0_0
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The Waternooses are a wealthy style family. Does anybody remember that old old, really old chain story we did? It was back to one of the other Waternooses. Celia, I think, portrayed a maid, while Randall, ugh, portrayed a servant (I actually did that part...pity I can't find the file...), though more like a slave really.
I guess they might be compared to the uhh...Rockerfellers maybe. One of several rich families that may have, at one point, took a large percentage of the world's wealth.

*shakes* Just makes you hate those kind of people who manipulate others...using such things as if they were a true weakness...
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That's my job Mental ^0^ Ran's been "sober" for the past several years now ^0^