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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 25, 2009 21:39:34 GMT -5
*blinks* Pixar was indeed involved....though to what extent escapes me. *looks up* To them....Randall as the villain is him "in character"....however I'm not sticking with that right now...not at least until I get the other 2/3 pieces of the comic.
I may be able to do something about getting the word out...I'll just need time to think...the arrival of the comic combined with dealing with Randall's thoughts on it are on toll right now...
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 25, 2009 21:41:16 GMT -5
Also, I want to note...it would be wise not to spread the info on this comic around....won't say openly why...but I think you'd all know the reason.
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 25, 2009 21:47:06 GMT -5
Thanks, but you're one of the only ones who got active at all. Most of the people here (including the anonymous guests) just read and do no more.
We need MUCH more muscle if Pixar is going to AT LEAST acknowledge that we exist. Exotic pet owners/lovers (such as pitbulllady), remember that letter/phone campaign against H.R.669? It went very successfully, even to the point that one of the cosponsors of the bill started having second thoughts. The point I'm trying to make is this: though we probably will not equal that bulk, we can certainly try to AT LEAST get somewhat close to it.
In fact, in my personal opinion, we should not limit ourselves to writing letters to Pixar. We could also make phone calls to Pixar, and possibly send letters and phone calls to Boom! Comics as well.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 25, 2009 21:49:53 GMT -5
*shrugs* I was in a position too.
*chuckles* Heh heh. Funny as it would seem, we knew about the Title page art because the artist who made them is actually on a site frequented by some people on this site.
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 25, 2009 21:53:22 GMT -5
Also, I understand not spreading the information about the comics, but, on the other hand, it is an essential component to getting people who ARE Randall fans to write (as in, it shows that Randall is out of character).
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 25, 2009 21:55:11 GMT -5
Yes, it is, but for the current time, we'll analyze what is here for assurances instead of spreading speculat........... ....tah....THAHAHAHA ^0^ OH my....WHAT a MISTAKE that is! TAH!
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 25, 2009 21:57:05 GMT -5
So, what, then? Should I modify the video to exclude the Boom! Comics references, THEN promote it? (Don't worry, I haven't done so yet)
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 25, 2009 22:02:30 GMT -5
Tahaha....sorry...sorry...I JUST noticed something....and it's...funny in regards to the analyzing bit.... The...heh...this Randall's first appearence is of him unblending in front of a Wanted Poster...and sure he looks cool...but there's one GRAVE mistake they made....!
Exclude the BOOM! comic referrances for now...but if you have one with the referrances already in it, keep it on hold for now.
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 25, 2009 22:12:38 GMT -5
One final thought regarding the campaign, or, as pitbulllady called it on her LiveJournal page, the Randall Revolution: As a member of the United States Association of Reptile Keepers (USARK), I would strongly recommend everyone (including those who already contacted Pixar) to contact Pixar within a certain amount of time, preferably a few consecutive days, as this is USARK's method to get heard by politicians. Which days in particular we can spend a little while deciding.
Good night.
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Post by DinoGirl on Aug 26, 2009 3:46:25 GMT -5
Yep, just as we expected. The 'Wazowski and Sullivan triumphs over Randall* episode. Yes, I'm definitely with Pittbulllady on the fact that the CDA never even mentioned Randall. His name was not even mentioned after his banishment so... I'm interested on how he has no bruises or anything too.
I am interested in getting the comic, just to see some pictures of Randall. The way you describe his expressions and actions RandallBoggs interests me.
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 26, 2009 8:37:51 GMT -5
I've changed my mind about promoting the video, as it apparently will require money I may not have in the long run (you have to pay EVERY SINGLE TIME your video is viewed).
All the more reason that people other than myself and RandallBoggs should be assisting pitbulllady in spreading the word.
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 26, 2009 9:47:05 GMT -5
Also, I want to note...it would be wise not to spread the info on this comic around....won't say openly why...but I think you'd all know the reason. I've just thought of a compromise regarding this issue and my video: I mention them without actually saying it. Get what I mean? If not, an example line would be, "Recent releases endorsed by Pixar show Randall completely out of character." I don't actually say the form of media, or even who made it; I only mention the details within. How about that?
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Post by pitbulllady on Aug 26, 2009 11:36:59 GMT -5
The problem is, guys, that PIXAR endorsed and approved those comics, so THEY don't see the Randall in the comics as being "out of character" at all. If they did, they would have made the comic writers change how he was portrayed. The artist on DA who is the main artist of the comics told me personally that they had to keep the Pixar characters as Pixar intended for them to be portrayed, which means that Pixar INTENDS for everyone to think that Randall is Evil Incarnate, just horribly mean and sadistic for cruelty's sake, and that's he was born that way and will die that way. They want us to believe in characters the way they are so often portrayed in kiddie 'toons-either cut-and-dried Good or Bad, no in between, no changing. Anything the Good Guys do is Good, and everything the Bad Guys do is bad. They want us to believe that Randall is no different from every Saturday morning cartoon villain that we've seen since we were toddlers ourselves, apparently...a "Scooby Doo" type of villain, as in "Curse you, Sullivan! Foiled Again! I would have succeeded in my Evil Plot to take over the world if it hadn't been for you and that medling KID! I'm not sure what we can do, honestly, if they've made up their minds to portray Randall as a Scooby Doo villain, but if we cannot convince other fans to voice their opinions to Pixar, we are lost. If they are not willing to listen to us, and to give Randall a chance, I WILL make good on my promise never to watch or buy another Pixar or Disney product. To my way of thinking, there must be a two-way street, communication between a studio and fans. We have to use every means at our disposal, but three of us cannot do this alone. EVERYONE who cares about Randall, who does not want to see him demeaned in this way, must do something, and right now, getting the word out is the most important thing. Don't be afraid to name the comics; it is NOT promoting them to do so, but rather, letting Randall fans know NOT to buy them. If BOOM! finds out that they've ticked off enough people, Pixar will know about it, too.
And yes, Sgtyayap, feel free to use my "Help Randall" artwork in your video. Just make sure you cover my butt and yours with the disclaimer that he doesn't belong to me, but (unfortunately) to Disney/Pixar, which is rather like saying, "well, I'd love to own that dog, but he belongs to Michael Vick now". I wish we knew of where there are more Randall fans, so we can reach them just like USARK has used forums and various sites to reach reptile owners, so maybe that's the next step-trackind down forums where people discuss Randall.
But back to the comic, though, how "canon" can it be if it apparently ignores a very key event in the movie, which is Randall's illegal banishment/lynching by Sullivan and Wazowski, and his beating at the hands of the redneck woman? If they do bring that up eventually, will Sullivan be held accountable? How will they account, also, for Randall's lack of injuries, since apparently very little time has elapsed. That's another continuity problem-we know that the ending of the movie, with Boo's door having been rebuilt, was one year after Randall's lynching, yet Boo apparently has not grown or matured any at all, and still looks, talks and acts just like she did in the movie, in spite of the fact that one year makes a HUGE difference in the development, both physical and cognitively, in children of that age range. I guess they're making Boo into one of those stereotypical cartoon kids who never age or grow up, like Maggie Simpson, and following that Loony Toons thing where we see characters get shot, blown up, beaten, etc., but they never get hurt or killed, so that Randall's beating is no different from Wile E. Coyote's countless falls over cliffs or having Acme bombs go off in his face. It really does cheapen those characters, all of them, and reduce them to being no different from all the rest of the cartoon characters. It makes them no longer seem real, no longer seem to be anyone we'd care about or could relate to, doesn't it?
pitbulllady
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 26, 2009 11:46:36 GMT -5
Right. I'll start working on it tonight.
You're also right, though, in that we need to stay on topic, so I'm also going to say this: I just didn't know how to describe the difference between the movie-Randall and the comic-Randall. "Out of character" was the only thing that had popped up in my head.
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Post by mentalguru on Aug 26, 2009 13:14:15 GMT -5
Great. So Randall is a cartoony villain and my favourite character (Sulley) shows no remorse for his actions even though consdiering his personality he probably would EVENTUALLY and Pixar thinks this is completely in character?
Just kill me now. I love Sulley and Randall. I don't want their story to end this way.
Then again... that ride at disneyland (world? I always get them mixed up). Not the Japan one- I think it was Florida. I think. Where Randall was ACTIVELY saying he was stopping Sulley from getting Boo home. I saw it on youtube yesterday, but forgot. Getting rid of her door and such. Was THAT fully endorsed by Pixar? How long has that ride been up anyway?
Ugh. How about people across the seas? Apart from letters, what can WE do? I'd probably call at the wrong time given the time difference. Even if I could afford it, it probably isn't a practical option for me.
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