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Post by mentalguru on Jul 25, 2009 16:03:19 GMT -5
Just for curiosities sake more than anything else. I don't believe it would have the same effect on Mary as it did on Fungus.
For one thing Boo has a proper NOSE so I doubt she'd have as much problem breathing or whatever with it on.
Because of suction (which although perhaps a bit less than what shown, some would still be there), some discomfort and redness around the mouth would perhaps occur.
But mostly any damaging effects would be psychological, (especially over the long term). But then since humans weren't considered sentient by him, I doubt Randall would take that into account.
On another note, do you think Waternoose knew humans were as intelligent as monsters? He did say Boo had "Seen too much" along with Sulley- of course at such a young age, she probably wouldn't be much of a witness- this suggests him OVER estimating Boos ability in actual fact.
Which is a bit disturbing because he was willing to do that to her.
Other things- like if they'd never have been caught. Do you think society would have taken a turn for the worse in the light of an energy crisis and eventually and gradually (if even gradually)decided that they'd eventually accept this new controversial way of obtaining screams?
Was Waternoose also therefore on the edge of being declared certifiable? I mean, if he OVER estimates the danger of a two year old having 'knowledge' and he doesn't give a damn about that...- Also wouldn't it cross his mind that he could cause an inter-dimensional war if the adults found out they were taking their kids?!
How much did Waternoose KNOW about humans? And how did he find out?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 25, 2009 18:20:25 GMT -5
Of course, the nozzle cup reminds me of those in a doctor's office and such, so maybe it had the same breathable atmosphere pits, as well as the suction. And good point there about Fungus's nose, a fact I forgot about...small...but important....
Waternoose may not have been in enough in "another loop" to know humans were intelligent. He, of course, knew they weren't toxic, but the previous fact may have made him rethink his own position.
*laughs* Hehehe...and tell me MentalGuru...the rising scream shortages escalate ironically more the closer the Scream Extractor is to completion. What does that tell you? ^_-
How much he knew...hm hm indeed...
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 25, 2009 22:28:15 GMT -5
Couple of things here: One, as Randomdrifter has pointed out, people cannot actually remember, sub-consciously or otherwise, things that happen to them before they are three or four years old, so Boo would have had no memory of the machine after just a couple more years. Randall might have known THIS, and that could have been at least part of the reasons why he chose HER, knowing that she's soon forget all about it. Two, I don't know what to think of Waternoose's comments; he might very well have known that humans were just as intelligent as monsters, but even given that, a MONSTER child at the age of two still would not have been able to actually tell someone what had happened to them or what they'd witnessed. Maybe he thought she was older, or maybe he just said that to ensure that Randall eliminated her as evidence that the CDA could use against them, or as an excuse to Sulley for taking the child from him. That Waternoose was a sociopath who had little if any regard for anyone or anything else is pretty much established, and I doubt that what we actually saw was the first time he'd made a decision like that regarding simply ending someone else's life like snubbing out a cigar butt. He'd probably done it many times, and his father before him, and he considered it something he was entitled to do because of his family status.
The thing is if they'd gotten caught, with regards to the Scream Extractor and the "energy crisis", is that the "energy crisis" wasn't REAL. Waternoose(and you can bet he was NOT alone but had a lot of political allies assisting him)had helped create this energy crisis, so that HE could be the one to "fix" it. Remember that scene in The Incredibles where Buddy Pine, aka "Syndrome", sets HIS Omnidroid loose on the city, so that HE can just show up, out of the blue, to "save" everyone just in the nick of time? That "crisis" was set up by him, to make himself look like a hero. Waternoose had created the "energy crisis", driving up utilities prices and driving stocks down, all the while having in mind this machine that would salvage the economy and make everything all peachy again. That would, of course, make HIM look like that proverbial knight in shining armor, which paves the way for what were no doubt some lofty political plans. When he decided later on to run for Governor of that state, or US Senator, or even President, he could be sure that the voters would remember HIM as the one who'd "saved" the Monster World from that horrible energy crisis and subsequent economic recession. Of course, there's a problem, in that Waternoose probably could not put together a model car, so he had to find someone who actually COULD design and build and test such a machine, a someone whom he could later dispose of quickly and easily when it was all done, whom the public would never even know had existed. And we all know who that "someone" was. I don't think that had Waternoose succeeded, and of course, disposed of Randall, that he would have had any problems getting the Scream Extractor accepted, although he most likely had further plans up his sleeves to really bring the economy down to rock-bottom(with help from some shady politicians, you can bet on that), so that things would be so desperate that ANYTHING would have gotten acceptance, as long as it stood some chance of working. That's when he would have revealed that machine, "Oh, I've invented this machine, which I think will bring us out of this economy by guaranteeing a supply of Scream...if they'd just let me try it out..." That's when those political allies would have pulled some strings and gotten the thing's approval rushed though-desperate times call for desperate measures-and Henry J. Waternoose would have become one of the greatest heroes of his or any generation.
As for the machine's effect on Fungus, you also have to consider that HE was left in that seat, unattended, probably for MUCH longer than Randall had intended for any child to be in that seat, with the power turned up all the way, much higher than would have been needed for a child, too.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 26, 2009 20:49:04 GMT -5
*taps fingers*
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