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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 11, 2009 19:53:19 GMT -5
*nods* And that, is dangerous. *shakes head* If Sullivan exiling Randall wasn't enough, if he keeps up with Boo just to sorta mend his own guilt, and her parent's DON'T know about...there will be conflict.
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Post by mentalguru on Jun 12, 2009 4:31:12 GMT -5
True true. *blinks* You know guru, I would have to wonder for your fanfic...any thoughts on HOW Boo's PARENTS reacted to her disappearence? Better yet, IF the up-coming comics are indeed canon, it would appear, based on one illustration in particular, that Boo is spending a LOT of time in the Monster World with "Kitty". Now, surely if that's the case, her parents are well aware by now that this big blue furry monster is coming into their home at night, and taking their toddler daughter back with him to HIS own world...and to a large factory, at that. And they're OK with this? I know that most parents would be hesitant to trust a human baby sitter that they KNEW fairly well to stay at their home with their young daughter, let alone let someone, human or otherwise, take their child through a dimensional vortex(after her bedtime, no less)and into another world, where they apparently cannot follow. Even harder to believe is that they don't have a CLUE that this is happening at all! I know that Mentalguru explained in her fanfic that Boo's parents, her father especially, were rather "distant", but they can't be THAT distant, and still successfully raise a child! Most parents, especially those of young children, do check in on their kids at night, and certainly with her having gone missing for 24 hours the first time, they are going to really be on-guard against it happening again. pitbulllady I think I''ll ignore the comics to keep my sanity- bringing Randall as a cartoony villain is not the only complication it would add to the story. Heh. Consider this Au, I guess... to an extent. In 'Connections' there is/was (?) a back story I wanted to incorporate into it. But I'm unsure if I still can. If I can/could I want(ed) to infer that Sulley's presence and the Boo's 24 hour disappearance was partially a reason why the family moved in the first place. Boo's mother, immediately after her disappearance became rather... suffocating. Granted Boo was still very young at the time, but still, it was to be taken to very extreme levels. Boo's father, wanted to take a step back, and although he had worried about her alot during that time, he didn't approve of suffocating her like that- but he took a step TOO far back while the mother smothered her. Plus they had other problems... Sulley for the most part was not known to them- all they knew was that Boo disappeared and then returned. Locally their reputation became rather strained- people suspected THEM of simply pulling a stunt for attention, that Boo had never REALLY been gone, after the mass panic they'd induced in the neighbourhood, after all the kid was found safe in sound in her BED...this made things difficult. They had some problems with social services for a time, but there was no evidence that they'd done anything... still their reputation was not good. Add to the fact that the mother was beginning to think she was going insane- hearing a voice in Boo's room yet not seeing anything when she rushed up there... So eventually the father decided it would be best if they'd move, for all their benefits. That it would be a best thing for them to put this all behind them- so they moved VERY far away- to New York. Almost as far as they could without emigrating really. Boo's father continued to keep his distance (a little too well), but I don't deny that he does love her. Boo's mother eventually learned to let go a little and stopped listening at her door all the time. Although she knew of them at 10, it was at 12 when Boo became more involved with helping monsters (helping find doors), she became... more distant at this time- but the parents believed this was a natural occurance of adolescence. The mother eventually listened to the father, she became fearful of pushing the issue, because she became afraid that Boo may push her away even further- so they BOTH began giving her space. And their careers also took over. Boo did not hide many monsters before- Peter and Randall would usually NOT be hidden by teenagers who live with parents kept in the dark but... certain circumstances have resulted in little choice in the matter more recently for the group, monsters seem to 'moving' alot more within their world... (but that would spoil anothet plot point I have planned). Boo for the most part is okay with this (her parents not pressing her), it makes her life easier with regards hiding her secret life. A small part of her though... kind of wants them to push, just a little bit. I think a part of Boo would be rather resentful. A part of her understands but another more childish part... well. She might not want to admit that to anyone, least of all herself but... she's seen how Jack's family works- they've problems too but... still closer to how in her mind a 'real' family works. And from age 7 she's spent ALOT of time in Jack's home, and she knew his own dad pretty well. 'Spiffy' thinks of her like a baby sister. Jack and Spiffy's mother is the heart of their family and fusses over her boys and Boo to an extent as well. That IS something I'm actually planning to show in some of the new chapters. Boo's parents are going to be introduced if briefly.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 12, 2009 12:12:10 GMT -5
Sounds very plausible. I don't know how much news you get from the US over in Northern Ireland, but there've been many high-profile cases recently, in which a young child simply disappeared, and the parents first blamed a "kidnapper", only to have it later prove that the parents themselves had murdered their own child. Boo's parents would have been the primary suspects in her disappearance, since there would have been no sign of forced entry into their home, so they most likely would have been in jail or being held for questioning when she returned. It's easy to see, especially here in the South where reputations tend to travel fast, how their lives could have been so disrupted due to that event that they would have been forced to move to New York City, where it's much easier to "blend in" and be anonymous, while being successful, financially, at the same time.
It's still surprising that Sulley never got caught out-right, though. He's not exactly quick and agile, given his bulk, is he? If Boo's mom heard a distinctly MALE voice on the other side of her daughter's door, it's hard to fathom Sulley being able to hear HER, and being able to make it back through the closet door, AND have it de-activated, by the time she would be able to open that bedroom door.
You are also spot-on about Jack's family; in most African-American families, it's the WOMEN, not the men, who run the household and really call the shots. You don't know how many times I've heard a Black man say, with regards to some decision, "Let me check with my boss-man first", and it's just understand that by "boss-man", he REALLY means boss-WOMAN, his wife! NOBDODY makes a move if Mama don't approve!
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Post by mentalguru on Jun 12, 2009 13:47:04 GMT -5
Hee hee. Yeah. Jack and Boo are close friends but both have certain problems with their families.
Jack LOVES his family, but he tends to not like the fact that they 'stick their noses' into 'his business'- they're a family who knows each other in and out, or at least almost in-and-out, and secrets are hard to keep (Re- Jack's mother KNEW about the organisation before the boys, even thought to tell her. She knows -almost- everything), and it can be difficult for Jack to feel he has appropriate space. Plus, it isn't always easy being an atheist in a religious family at that. THAT secret didn't stay secret as long as he would have liked. So a part of him envies Boo too- someone who herself isn't religous, who is an only child with parents who... give her space.
Boo on the other hand deep down feels that her family don't try to get into her business ENOUGH (though she doesn't like to admit that about herself)- she'd rather they were more like JACK'S family. Though she does know that it isn't always perfect- religious drama and of course the death of the father, which hurt her too, in the end she wishes her family could be like that.
I guess the grass is always greener on the other side...
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 12, 2009 14:46:30 GMT -5
Hee hee. Yeah. Jack and Boo are close friends but both have certain problems with their families. Jack LOVES his family, but he tends to not like the fact that they 'stick their noses' into 'his business'- they're a family who knows each other in and out, or at least almost in-and-out, and secrets are hard to keep (Re- Jack's mother KNEW about the organisation before the boys, even thought to tell her. She knows -almost- everything), and it can be difficult for Jack to feel he has appropriate space. Plus, it isn't always easy being an atheist in a religious family at that. THAT secret didn't stay secret as long as he would have liked. So a part of him envies Boo too- someone who herself isn't religous, who is an only child with parents who... give her space. Boo on the other hand deep down feels that her family don't try to get into her business ENOUGH (though she doesn't like to admit that about herself)- she'd rather they were more like JACK'S family. Though she does know that it isn't always perfect- religious drama and of course the death of the father, which hurt her too, in the end she wishes her family could be like that. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side... That last statement might easily apply to Randall and Sulley as well. I've often said that Randall did not hate Sulley on a personal level; in fact, he never hated him at all until Sulley showed up with that kid dressed like Randall himself. It was envy, sure enough, but it was more envy of what Sulley had, or seemed to have, and it went WAAAY beyond just the All-Time Scare Total or the standings on the Scare Board. Sulley still had a famly, he had close friends and people who admired him, and he even had a surrogate "extra" father, Mr. Waternoose. Co-workers LIKED seeing him walk in because of his personality, NOT because of his success(real or not)on the Scare Floor. Of course, what Randall COULDN'T see was that Sulley also had to go home with Mike Wazowski and put up with that mouth and that ego every evening! Sulley was the one who had to keep up with the bills and payments, which meant he had to do without a lot of things that most of us take for granted, since apparently the only things he actually owned was a bed, an old chair from a garage sale and two cinder blocks. Now that he's the CEO, Sulley probably spends a lot of time wishing he could go back to that, too-no long boring BOD meetings, no stockholders' reports, no press conferences, no letters to dictate, no whiny employees and dissatisfied customers and negative news media attacks. I've always gotten the impression that while Randall was trying to run as far away as he could from his own rural farm-boy roots, Sulley would probably like to get BACK to his. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 12, 2009 18:53:27 GMT -5
Well official like, now that there's a sequel, even if they hurt Ran in this (which will give a clue to the direction they'll take with him), it'll be overlapped by the film *shrugs* Of COURSE you can include it, nothing so much stopping ya.
So basically they thought the house was kinda turning itself creepy? 0_0 Talk about Poltergeist ^_^ Hmm...do have to have a word about Peter....I think that's him... ----------------------------------------- I always thought she had a sitter at the time. You know. One of those types that sit in a rocking chair for most of the time nitting and falls asleep often ^0^
Though MANY of them were willing to switch alliances with who was on top, as we saw 0_- I think Randall might have known Sullivan and Wazowski roomed together, and he might have been aware of Wazowski's over flaunting with his paycheck. Which is probably one of the things he actually dislikes about Wazowski. In fact, Randall probably sees Wazowski really DOES just "use his best friend". FARM BOY? ^0^ *nods* I've actually have an extensive chapter in one of my stories detailing Sullivan's role as CEO. Presentations, meeting with the higher-ups. In fact, one of them involved Randall inadvertibly. But in any case, in these scenes he always feels some-what out of place like he's "not suppose to be here".
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 12, 2009 19:58:09 GMT -5
Well official like, now that there's a sequel, even if they hurt Ran in this (which will give a clue to the direction they'll take with him), it'll be overlapped by the film *shrugs* Of COURSE you can include it, nothing so much stopping ya. So basically they thought the house was kinda turning itself creepy? 0_0 Talk about Poltergeist ^_^ Hmm...do have to have a word about Peter....I think that's him... ----------------------------------------- I always thought she had a sitter at the time. You know. One of those types that sit in a rocking chair for most of the time nitting and falls asleep often ^0^ Though MANY of them were willing to switch alliances with who was on top, as we saw 0_- I think Randall might have known Sullivan and Wazowski roomed together, and he might have been aware of Wazowski's over flaunting with his paycheck. Which is probably one of the things he actually dislikes about Wazowski. In fact, Randall probably sees Wazowski really DOES just "use his best friend". FARM BOY? ^0^ *nods* I've actually have an extensive chapter in one of my stories detailing Sullivan's role as CEO. Presentations, meeting with the higher-ups. In fact, one of them involved Randall inadvertibly. But in any case, in these scenes he always feels some-what out of place like he's "not suppose to be here". Yes, you read that right-a down-home, Southern Indiana FARM BOY! You can't tell me that with that Hoosier twang that Randall was born a city slicker! He probably learned how to drive a tractor or a combine harvester before he could walk! Southern Indiana is rural farm country and hills, much like the "Upstate" of South Carolina and the hill country of northern Georgia, two places from which the ancestors of many a Hoosier first arrived across the Ohio River. Come on, you act like that's a bad thing-an insult- to be a farm boy. This is coming from somebody who KNOWS farm boys, who myself learned how to drive a tractor LONG before I learned how to drive a car, and who can still distinguish 10-10-10 by its smell! Trace Atkins is right, you know-women DO love country boys! Speaking of Southern Indiana, when my dad overheard my DVD of M.I., he thought that Randall was voiced by Tony Stewart, the NASCAR driver, lol! Wanna guess where Tony is from? I really don't think my dad would like Sulley much at all, though, given how bad he loathes another NASCAR driver, Jimmy Johnson! Johnsons' racing team is owned by the guy who owns both Lowe's Motor Speedway in NC, AND is the president of NASCAR, and he seems to win an awful lot of races even when he's NOT in the lead. Johnson won last year's Championship even though both Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon(another Hoosier, I might add, though by way of California-a transplant)had more actual points! My dad dislikes cronyism as much as I do or Randall does, so he'd probably see a correlation between Sulley's phenomenal success and friendship with the CEO, and what is happening with Jimmy Johnson Racing. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 12, 2009 20:03:51 GMT -5
I did NOT say it was an insult ^0^ But the image of Ran in SLACKS and with a pitchfork just made me laugh ^0^ Of course he'll probably NEVER touch or get near a shovel 0_0 I know, maybe that sounds sterotypical, but it was just a vision ^_^
Cronyism? 0_0
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 12, 2009 20:39:32 GMT -5
I did NOT say it was an insult ^0^ But the image of Ran in SLACKS and with a pitchfork just made me laugh ^0^ Of course he'll probably NEVER touch or get near a shovel 0_0 I know, maybe that sounds sterotypical, but it was just a vision ^_^ Cronyism? 0_0 "Slacks" are dress(or semi-dress) pants, so unless he's going to a wedding/funeral/job interview, I can't see Randall wearing slacks, either. Farmers wear jeans and t-shirts, most of the time, although my late grand-father was sort of a "pre-gansta" type, and preferred D i c k i e 's(so stupid, the censor keeps putting "Richardie" pants) pants and Timberland boots, long before the hip-hop crowd found out about 'em. BUT, I can still guarantee that Randall is no stranger to ole' John Deere or Round-Up, in any case! Ever see the Guns n' Roses video for "Welcome To The Jungle", where Axl Rose(wanna guess where HE'S from?)steps off the Greyhound bus on the streets of LA, and is just shock n' awed by the tall buildings and strange-looking people, just standing there, with that piece of hay straw still in his mouth and his high school baseball cap on backwards, staring in amazement at the sky scrapers? That's pretty much how I envision Randall's first experience in the big back-east city of Monstropolis, so different from what he was used to, where grain silos were the tallest structures. That song sums up how an Indiana farm boy would have to learn how to fight and do whatever it takes to survive in a big city, to try and prove himself, surrounded by corporate b******s, back-stabbers, pimps, thieves, dealers and hustlers, and how doing so would eventually turn him into someone different than that kid who'd just stepped off of a bus into a whole new world, one that was as different from the one he grew up in as Earth is from the planet Jupiter. That song could have just as easily been about Randall as it was autobiographical. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 12, 2009 20:41:31 GMT -5
*blinks* OH! Suspenders! That's what it was ^_^
Tehehehe *imagines a specified pic* Ooooh...that just gave me an idea ;D
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Post by mentalguru on Jul 22, 2009 14:32:56 GMT -5
Another plot bunny idea (DAMN IT ALL).
I've been thinking- you guys are still advertising about the letter writing campaign right?
Perhaps if someone wrote a story to advertise it more? On DevArt or FF.net- both probably.
Anyway, I was thinking- Monsters Inc gives us TWO universes to play about in- not the human or monster worlds, I mean that there is a universe in which all the events of the movie are REAL... and then the other where they are all just actors.
I am very tempted to play around in the 'acting' universe. It could be fun. I thought of this over the last few days of my hols.
I thought of Sulley questioning the director about the banishment-of-Randall scene. Hence it could work as an advert for letter writing actually. In it Randall would be muttering that it's probably better not to push it (see why he doesn't want to fight it much from the 'bios') and Mike getting grumpy because he just wants to get the scene over with.
I even gave all the actors HISTORY and different levels of EXPERIENCE in acting. It would be one of those silly humour/friendship drabble and one shot collection type things.
Randall: Has been an actor from a young age. Knows the show business world pretty well. Lots of experience, he first shot to stardom from advertising some product he cannot even remember. Over the years he's been in many plays as well as (more recently) being a very popular actor in a popular soap opera (don't laugh). However, after arguing with the director over 'creative differences' his character was killed off in some incredibly bad way. After a year with either no or badly paid work, his agent has fianlly come through- and he's getting a ticket to the big screen. STILL kind of fears being booted off again though... doesn't want to get into trouble.
Then this total N00bs (Boo and Sulley) walk in- oddly enough, they start to grow on him.
Sulley: Sulley has no previous acting experience. He was a construction worker. In truth, the reason he got the role was because of his goddaughter- Boo (Mary) herself. He is friends with Boo's (single) mother, and the three of them went down to auditions. Boo's mum hopes this can help pay Boo's college fees when she is older- since although decently paid, she can see such costs becoming a problem later in life. Boo was picked for the role pretty quickly and Sulley ended up getting lucky- the casting folks liked how the two worked together and Boo seemed to listen to the guy- very like a father. They liked what they saw, so hired him.
Sulley has NO idea what he is getting into. But decides to go for it. In the end Sulley and Randall strike up a strange friendship on the set- even though they are from different worlds for the most part. Randall helps Sulley somewhat with the somewhat preplexing RULES to show business as well as Sulley and Boo showing the guy to have some FUN once in a while, which he somehow missed out on as a kid- since he was acting alot.
I even came up with ideas for other characters too.
Celia hopes this will be her big break after a few years of serving tables and starring in mediocre plays.
Mike is somewhat like Randall in that he has quite a bit of experience- but he mainly constuting 'fart' comedy movies- you know the type I'm sure.
Waternoose used to be big but is now all washed up- hopes to make his final big splash before entering the big acting agency in the sky...
Even thought up of bloopers and stuff to do. Like Boo letting go of the bat accidently and it hitting Mike in the eye. Also off camera scenes with Boo and Sulley mucking about with props and dragging in Randall for the ride. A wrap party with a drunk!Waternoose and Randall singing karaoke and being pretty good at it.
You know the usual stuff. -snorts-
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 22, 2009 16:17:06 GMT -5
Another plot bunny idea (DAMN IT ALL). I've been thinking- you guys are still advertising about the letter writing campaign right? Perhaps if someone wrote a story to advertise it more? On DevArt or FF.net- both probably. Anyway, I was thinking- Monsters Inc gives us TWO universes to play about in- not the human or monster worlds, I mean that there is a universe in which all the events of the movie are REAL... and then the other where they are all just actors. I am very tempted to play around in the 'acting' universe. It could be fun. I thought of this over the last few days of my hols. I thought of Sulley questioning the director about the banishment-of-Randall scene. Hence it could work as an advert for letter writing actually. In it Randall would be muttering that it's probably better not to push it (see why he doesn't want to fight it much from the 'bios') and Mike getting grumpy because he just wants to get the scene over with. I even gave all the actors HISTORY and different levels of EXPERIENCE in acting. It would be one of those silly humour/friendship drabble and one shot collection type things. Randall: Has been an actor from a young age. Knows the show business world pretty well. Lots of experience, he first shot to stardom from advertising some product he cannot even remember. Over the years he's been in many plays as well as (more recently) being a very popular actor in a popular soap opera (don't laugh). However, after arguing with the director over 'creative differences' his character was killed off in some incredibly bad way. After a year with either no or badly paid work, his agent has fianlly come through- and he's getting a ticket to the big screen. STILL kind of fears being booted off again though... doesn't want to get into trouble. Then this total N00bs (Boo and Sulley) walk in- oddly enough, they start to grow on him. Sulley: Sulley has no previous acting experience. He was a construction worker. In truth, the reason he got the role was because of his goddaughter- Boo (Mary) herself. He is friends with Boo's (single) mother, and the three of them went down to auditions. Boo's mum hopes this can help pay Boo's college fees when she is older- since although decently paid, she can see such costs becoming a problem later in life. Boo was picked for the role pretty quickly and Sulley ended up getting lucky- the casting folks liked how the two worked together and Boo seemed to listen to the guy- very like a father. They liked what they saw, so hired him. Sulley has NO idea what he is getting into. But decides to go for it. In the end Sulley and Randall strike up a strange friendship on the set- even though they are from different worlds for the most part. Randall helps Sulley somewhat with the somewhat preplexing RULES to show business as well as Sulley and Boo showing the guy to have some FUN once in a while, which he somehow missed out on as a kid- since he was acting alot. I even came up with ideas for other characters too. Celia hopes this will be her big break after a few years of serving tables and starring in mediocre plays. Mike is somewhat like Randall in that he has quite a bit of experience- but he mainly constuting 'fart' comedy movies- you know the type I'm sure. Waternoose used to be big but is now all washed up- hopes to make his final big splash before entering the big acting agency in the sky... Even thought up of bloopers and stuff to do. Like Boo letting go of the bat accidently and it hitting Mike in the eye. Also off camera scenes with Boo and Sulley mucking about with props and dragging in Randall for the ride. A wrap party with a drunk!Waternoose and Randall singing karaoke and being pretty good at it. You know the usual stuff. -snorts- I've played around with the idea of the "Acting Universe" as you put it, in which all the characters in the movie are just actors, and in which we get to see the real, behind-the-scenes relationships between them, and find out what sort of people they're REALLY like, off-camera. I'd always thought it would be interesting to have seen the interaction between Randall and little Mary...and little Mary's mom...when the cameras aren't rolling. On-screen, she's supposed to be terrified of him, and he's supposed to be this sort of threat to HER, so naturally, after reading the script, Mary's mom would probably be more concerned about Randall than any of the other actors who had to interact with her daughter, especially is she(as would be very likely)was not accustomed to being around non-human people, monsters, in other words. It would be neat if in reality, Randall turned out to be the friendliest, most easy-going of the whole cast, quickly putting mom at ease, but also making for one of the most difficult aspects of filming-getting Mary to act afraid of him for the cameras. She IS, after all, just a toddler(which would legally limit her time on the set and therefore mean that scenes filmed with her would have far fewer "takes", far less opportunities to screw up and re-do), and while she's a very bright toddler, she'd still been picked more for her cuteness than for inate acting ability. Getting her to act convincingly afraid of someone that she'd come to trust and whom her mom had come to trust as well, would be a real challenge, even moreso than for Randall to act mean towards her. I'd always sorta thought it would be neat, though, if NONE of the main cast were professional actors, but just people that central casting had located through talent try-outs; they would all have regular mundane lives outside of this, and that Randall would be a fireman(like his voice actor) or something that involves saving/helping others, the absolute opposite of how most people would see him, Mike would probably be a stand-up comic with the closest background to real acting, and Sulley would be a janitor or something(as he originally was, in many early versions of the script)-just everyday monster folk from many different backgrounds. Of the cast, it would be Sulley and RANDALL, not him and Mike, who wound up being the best of friends, though with this sort of rapport where they constantly "rib" each other about the other's "hick" background and accents, including one where Sulley has a bet with Mary's mom that Randall can't pronounce the name of the Human World's US capitol without sticking an "r" in it("Wa rshington, DC"), and they keep trying to get him to say it, but he's figured out they're playing a good-natured version of "Let's Poke Fun of the Hoosier" and he decides to act stupid and clueless to aggravate them, and HE winds up being the one who collects on the bet! pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 22, 2009 19:37:17 GMT -5
Reminds me of our CoMONdy anniversary parties 0_0 -------------- Well in the "Acting Universe", I would imagine Randall would be much like he is in our CoMONdy Cast...but for the movie itself...I would agree Randall would really be a nice guy. Perhaps instead of Mary actually being frightened of him, she was actually frightened of something else. Heheh imagine if they had Mary in the room with Randall and they had cut to just showing Mary scared, when, in actuality, someone is dangling a spider or something she DOES fear out of camera frame. Of course Mary might do the whole "kitty" thing with Randall off-set hmhmhm.
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