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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 8, 2009 9:34:34 GMT -5
That was great, Mentalguru! That went down exactly as I'd imagine it would. Randall's voice tone indicates he actually WANTS to talk to someone, but he just can't. His very life might be hanging in that balance between keeping a distance between himself and others, and spilling the beans or at least, saying enough to give away some little clue.
We'd discussed, a long time back, why Randall refuses to be on a first-name basis with anyone. There are two reasons for this. One, this makes someone sound more professional, more formal, but in Randall's case, it also means keeping an emotional distance between him and everyone else. Not ONCE in the movie do you hear Randall call anyone by their first name or a nick-name. I have to wonder if he ever called James Sullivan, "Sulley", like everyone else does. I guess to many movier-watchers, it just makes Randall out to be more of a jerk, since they aren't going to consider the emotional turmoil he's going through.
I can see Sulley approaching him with this offer, yes. In the movie, at least, Sulley's rage and hate against Randall did not transpire until Sulley became very emotionally attached to Boo, in a parental way, and at the same time, thought that Randall intended to hurt her(Randall probably assumed the same thing about HIM and Wazowski, even if he lacked that parental bond that Sulley had with the child). In the locker room scene, it's apparent that Sulley sort of sees Randall as a rather annoying child himself, but not as any sort of threat. He gently chastises him for what appears to be a waste of his Scaring talent, but he gives both Randall AND Mike that look that a put-upon parent will give a couple of children bickering over a cheap toy from the Dollar Store. Later, he tries to make amends with Randall on the Scare Floor, but unfortunately, Randall's giddy childish mood of earlier that day had been soured by Mike's tauntings. Had Mike "got" the joke, and laughed along with its perpetrator instead of so blatantly indicating his hatred of Randall, that one hand-shake scene probably would have gone very differently, and perhaps changed the whole interaction between Randall and Sulley for the whole movie.
And, speaking of Mike and Sulley, Sulley has probably had to stay late and complete Mike's paperwork more times than Jerry the Floor Manager can count on both of HIS hands, lol! Count Jerry's fingers if you don't get my drift.
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Post by mentalguru on Jun 8, 2009 15:23:06 GMT -5
Thanks! And yes I get the fingers- 7 on one hand right? The idea kind of spawned more scenes for this AU such as arguments between Mike and Sulley. Mike doesn't understand why Sulley is so concerned with the guy. Sort of more or less saying- he's the enemy! He's a jerk! If he's having a rough time he deserves it! It kind of puts a strain on their friendship. It also changes certain events in the movie. Even if Randall never told Sulley what was happening. For instance Sulley acts all awkward around Waternoose and not as close as he did in the movie, despite the Crabs best efforts- he tries to keep his distance from him the most part- when Sulley says he "Learned from the best" a bit more loudly he looks rather obviously at RANDALL who does nothing but roll his eyes at the rather blatent attempt to offer indirect praise to him (though perhaps a part of him might be touched. Just a little part.) -cough- And when Sulley, in his panic lets Boo in, instead he runs after RANDALL as he's about to leave rather than go to Mike. Possible conversation, once Randall tries his best to look calm: Sulley: "Uh... Randall, you remember when I said you could talk to me about anything? Well... I was just wondering if you'd be willing to go about it both ways." Randall: ? -is very confused. And annoyed. And scared about what he might have seen- Sulley: Well... -opens bag- to reveal Boo- Randall: ?! Basically resulting in a paniced Randall, not thinking straight and dragging Sulley into his secret lab when he thinks he hears SOMEONE ELSE (Roz?) coming back to the Scare floor. I also think of Sulley being told by Randall in the 'lab' that humans weren't toxic, and a part of Randall is amused at how attached the kid seems to be to Sulley, despite his fear, she constantly is hiding behind the guy, from Randall. In a shot amount of time Sulley does evetually calm down enough to think... maybe the kid isn't too bad. And guesses he believes Randall. Randall then realises that having Sulley here is a BAD thing, once his mind becomes clearer and he's calmed down a bit, and tells him to leave, leaving the kid behind and half threatens and half begs him not to tell anyone. The story of the scream extractor eventually gets out though when he is forced to explain and Sulley basically says: "No way" And asks if Randall is "Crazy" to even think about doing this. And that it's not the right thing to do. And says that deep down he knows this. He is shocked Randall would do it. He tells him to give him the door key, and no, he WON'T give him the child. And adivises him to tell the authorities, that he'd even back him up if he needed it. And when Randall refuses to give him the card, saying he hasn't a choice, it basically accumulates into "Fine. When you come to your senses you'll know where we are"- thus Sulley takes Boo home directly- no restaurant stop, no public panic, he takes her home. Randall is SO irritated by this, yet Sulleys disappointment is practically paralyzing for a reason he can't explain- so much so he just lets him leave! He's not as bitter towards Sulley in the movie, as he is here. So a small part of him, despite his terror is holding him back from beating the guy up and snatching the kid back. I even thought it would be funny for Mike and Celia actually finding Boo in the apartment, and the whole story coming out to them. Mike is all " Why didn't you just REPORT the guy?!" But Sulley wants to give Randall a chance first. It follows Sulley alot but it would also basically be a story of Randall rejecting one father figure (Waternoose) for another (Sulley?), who actually worries about him. They make different choices. It's also possible to inject comedy within certain scenes, such as in relation to Boo's costume (I thank you pitbulllady, for bringing up this certain topic in relation to Boo's costume) Again all being written right now: "I wouldn't try and grab her in front of all these people you know" Sulley muttered as Randall continued to sip on his coffee, eyeing the child he held in his right arm.
The girl was currently burying her head in his arm, though she was beginning to shoot small glances in the other monsters direction as time wore on. Fear was still in her eyes, but a hint of curiosity could also be seen within them, which increased with each passing glance.
Eventually it came to it that she only looked away when he stared at her.
"Really?" he murmured, trying to sound disinterested "Why is that?"
"I've already passed her off as my relative. I don't think grabbing her would do much for your popularity somehow." he said, sounding remarkably dry.
"YOUR relative?" he almost felt like laughing as he looked the child up and down "She looks nothing LIKE you in that thing. With those purples scales... she looks like she's related to ME!"
Sulley simply glared at him, and after a few moments contemplation to gather his thoughts gave a grim smile "She's even pretty good at disappearing too, like you. She's also quite creative, a bit like YOU'VE been lately." Randall looked up at him trying not to appear interested, but Sulley appeared to be a little sharper than usual today.
He didn't have an answer to that and instead concentrated on his coffee, trying to ignore the rather curious glances of those passing by.
Sulley waited until he took a particulary large gulp before saying:
"She's SO like you, I have to wonder... Randall, just HOW LONG have you know humans weren't toxic?"
Randall spluttered and chocked. When he noticed the small smile on his fellow monster's face he simply growled, "Not funny", before stalking off.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 8, 2009 20:20:33 GMT -5
That it is ^_^ And Randall can change faces per-say ^0^ Can't see face...see face ^0^
Well...wouldn't think Sullivan would catch Waternoose being "other than the grandfatherly type", though more on the lines of "he cares, he works hard, but some people (like the board of directors) make it hard for him". Maybe that's one of the things Randall hated too. He KNEW the REAL Waternoose, and he was putting on an act for everyone, including Sullivan (though this may leak into Randall that Sullivan is putting on an act that he DID know he was cheating). *shrugs* That was Ran back then..."none of your business"..."stop ACTING so nice"...didn't really have faith in my people...including himself.... ========= Well Ran usually did picture himself an executive one day when he had his fill of a Scareing career, but didn't really stop him from using nick-names. He actually used Sullivan's nick-name during training ("Sulley...please" Sullivan had said if I recall). Of course Ran skipped it for a time till he saw honest potential in his scareing abilities. Actually Ran didn't so much take it just for that, but also because at the time, Randall had the renewed thoughts of "he's a cheater..." in his head. And with Wazowski's constant comment-thrusts, Randall just couldn't get it out of his head. Kinda a "ninjaed mind" for him 0_0 Sullivan may had had to do that. AND...actually that might lead to some reveals of Randall (at least BEFORE he was dragged into the Scream Extractor incident, but AFTER Sullivan rose up to Top Scarer), working late on the scarefloor.
I can actually imagine that, Sullivan already having done Wazowski's paperwork, and bringing it over to put in to be collected, and seeing Randall, alone, on the scarefloor working to bring his numbers back up, but no matter how hard he tries, it always seems to be that he can't make it up again. Course, can also see him resisting the urge to kick a canister out of heated aggrevation. Of course if Sullivan involved himself, Randall would just look away, getting away that aggrevation and anger (he would've had a little more control back then), and just noting he's just getting some more canisters in. A little talk would ensure, showing that they actually do have a fair acquantinceship...... You know...I'm gonna put that in my Pixar story actually ^_^ ==================== Seven, yep ^_^
Ah yes that comment...Waternoose was only at Scare Island for orientation and awards ceremony. Randall basically, for the time he was a trainer, was resident there for the time. (Even doing some light jogging around the orientation center ^_^)
Some have always wondered...if Sullivan REALLY DIDN'T want to get in trouble, why DIDN'T he simply go to Randall and ASK for the door to put the kid BACK....
SULLIVAN...as RANDALL'S FATHER FIGURE!? 0_o I actually doubt that 0_0
Always figured Randall had this amusement of playing "mind games" to test his mental prowess when he isn't stressed...
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 8, 2009 21:19:53 GMT -5
First question, to Sean-DOES Randall actually call Sullivan, "Sulley", in the game itself? He never does in the movie, and as much as I enjoy certain fanfics, I cannot consider any of them canon, no matter how good they are(and some are arguably better and more original than anything Pixar seems capable of at this point in time), so if this only happens in a fanfic or fanfic-in-progress, I'm sorry, but I'd have to discount that.
I've always wondered WHY Sullivan never said anything to Randall that evening on the Scare Floor, right after his first encounter with Boo. If I recall correctly, when Sulley was hiding behind the door station, he was actually hiding from BOO, not Randall, and nothing in his behavior up to that point had indicated that he felt he had any REASON to be afraid of Randall. So, he thought the guy was cheating, so what? The only reason I can think of for him trying to avoid Randall at that point was that he was afraid that Randall would snitch or call a "23-19" on HIM, upon seeing that he'd been in actual physical contact with a human child, and after having witnessed George's mishap, that unpleasantness was fresh in his mind. Still, once he'd actually shaken the kid off him, which would mean that no one had actual PROOF she'd touched him, I am still to this day clueless as to why he didn't call Randall to come deal with what was very obviously HIS Scare Assignment, after-hours or not, instead of scooping her up in a very insecure bowling bag and hauling her to a busy public restaurant to show to Mike. If he didn't want to trouble Randall, or thought he'd already gone for the evening, why not alert Security, who would have called the CDA, and let them deal with the "threat"? The only reasons I can think of were A)Sulley WAS actually trying to cover for Randall at that point, instead of ratting him out as the reason why that door was active on the Scare Floor that late, even though it's been established in the "Employee Handbook" that this was NOT illegal or frowned upon in any way by the top brass at M.I., or B)Sulley realized that HE, not Randall, was still the one who actually let the kid in, by being nosy and not minding his own business, and therefore HE would probably have gotten in way more trouble than Randall would have if he'd reported it. Whatever Sulley's abilities, lying is NOT one of them, since it is SO obvious when he's not telling the truth or trying to cover for something. That of course makes me wonder all the more just who, besides him and Mike, is involved in the cover-up of Randall's "disappearance", since I can guarantee that if asked point-blank about what happend to Mr. Boggs, or HOW it happened, Sulley is gonna sing like that proverbial canary!
I did get a laugh out of that AU, yet plausible, conversation between Randall and Sullivan over just how long Randall had known humans weren't toxic, lol! I can guarantee that if little Mary's eyes had been GREEN, instead of brown, it would have taken a couple of DNA samples from her and the suspect "Baby-Daddy" to convince even ME that the Scream Extractor wasn't the ONLY secret Randall was keeping! Even still, her having brown eyes doesn't disprove Randall's uh, contribution to the human gene pool, either, since green eyes are recessive to all other eye colors, and even if Mary's brown-eyed mama had been a carrier of green, my trusty ole' Punnett Square says that there would have been, at the most, a 50/50 chance of any of their hypothetical offspring having green eyes, and if mama did NOT carry that recessive gene, it would have gone to ZERO percent. Still, I don't see how any monster in that factory could see Boo in that purple scaly costume and not think, "Gee...what's Mr. Sullivan doing with Randall's kid? Is he takin' up baby-sittin' on the side, or what?"
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 9, 2009 1:38:10 GMT -5
Think any of mine are Pitbulllady?
Does Randall call Sullivan Sulley....not...to my recall...(though I DO recall him calling Sullivan that in the Manga). I'll look back on that...
And to be fair, Randall wasn't even cheating and the only thing he could ever be accused of is leaving an active door alone (though how the open mechanics work is over my head).
You think it was ONLY those two involved in the cover up? 0_o Well...teh...given how many violations the two had made in the given law, banishing a Mon would just be another check on the list. ------------------------------ Imagine that...Randall with a tot ^0^ ANYBODY imagine him at the Daycare Center there? ^0^
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Post by mentalguru on Jun 9, 2009 3:08:57 GMT -5
Randallboggs: Perhaps not a father... perhaps more like a slightly annoying older brother? Heh.
Pitbulllady:I kind of think Sulley in this might be slightly more inclinded to trust Randall a bit more in the movie, since he knows he is having a rough time this time around...-shrugs-
Yes, the whole IDEA of Boo and and Randall being related is pretty hilarious in my view. I'd also in this fic (if I wrote) gradually have Boo getting used to Randall. Eventually. Which is going to throw him after a while as well. Him trying to get Boo seemed to strain the relationship between Sulley and Randall, but maybe she could somehow help mend it too.
I had the random image of her getting annoyed with Waternoose at one stage over something which happened to Randall as well. Very strange indeed.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 9, 2009 18:19:35 GMT -5
Maybe 0_-
Well Boo is sorta neutral party. I mean Randall doesn't really blame her at all, though he would be insistant, if she's older, for her to understand WHERE he's coming from and what he HAD experienced.
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Post by randomdrifter on Jun 9, 2009 23:08:06 GMT -5
Sulley waited until he took a particulary large gulp before saying: "She's SO like you, I have to wonder... Randall, just HOW LONG have you know humans weren't toxic?" Randall spluttered and chocked. When he noticed the small smile on his fellow monster's face he simply growled, "Not funny", before stalking off. [/i][/quote] Haha! I'm liking everything so far, and it intrigues me even more the prospect of some form of bond forming between Sulley and Randall as friends, since the whole world has it ingrained in their minds that those two are mortal enemies and always will be. It makes for a smarter pair and definitely more of an interesting and perhaps even a more meaningful friendship than the one Sulley has with Mike.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 9, 2009 23:53:22 GMT -5
Sulley waited until he took a particulary large gulp before saying: "She's SO like you, I have to wonder... Randall, just HOW LONG have you know humans weren't toxic?" Randall spluttered and chocked. When he noticed the small smile on his fellow monster's face he simply growled, "Not funny", before stalking off. [/i][/quote] Haha! I'm liking everything so far, and it intrigues me even more the prospect of some form of bond forming between Sulley and Randall as friends, since the whole world has it ingrained in their minds that those two are mortal enemies and always will be. It makes for a smarter pair and definitely more of an interesting and perhaps even a more meaningful friendship than the one Sulley has with Mike. [/quote] Yeah, when you think of it, RANDALL actually does have more in common with Sulley than Mike does. Both are from Midwestern roots, probably pretty darn "country", and both were Scarers, something Mike can't fully comprehend from the other side of the door. Sulley is a lot older, of course, but it would be nice to see those two come to terms with each other, at least, and have time to find out why the other acted as he did, without someone else butting in. pitbulllady
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Post by randomdrifter on Jun 10, 2009 0:46:56 GMT -5
Haha! I'm liking everything so far, and it intrigues me even more the prospect of some form of bond forming between Sulley and Randall as friends, since the whole world has it ingrained in their minds that those two are mortal enemies and always will be. It makes for a smarter pair and definitely more of an interesting and perhaps even a more meaningful friendship than the one Sulley has with Mike. Yeah, when you think of it, RANDALL actually does have more in common with Sulley than Mike does. Both are from Midwestern roots, probably pretty darn "country", and both were Scarers, something Mike can't fully comprehend from the other side of the door. Sulley is a lot older, of course, but it would be nice to see those two come to terms with each other, at least, and have time to find out why the other acted as he did, without someone else butting in. pitbulllady And given Sulley's personality and temperament, he'd be much more willing to listen and understand Randall. As I've said before, age isn't much of an issue when a sturdy foundation is there in any relationship, be it platonic or romantic, and theirs will most likely be built around having someone to talk to and to lean on when life gets tough. It may even be a possitive thing that Sulley is older, since Randall could definitely use a male role model to give him advise and to listen, much like a father or an older brother would, particularly if Randall grew up with none of these. In this sense, I have a feeling Randall will be much more reciprocal than Mike in such a friendship, having probably lived through rough patches himself and understanding what it is like to have actual fears. He'll be genuine and realistic, unlike Mike, who seems to resort more to retail and car therapy and will likely suggest the same for his friend if he's troubled.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 10, 2009 11:24:18 GMT -5
Yeah, when you think of it, RANDALL actually does have more in common with Sulley than Mike does. Both are from Midwestern roots, probably pretty darn "country", and both were Scarers, something Mike can't fully comprehend from the other side of the door. Sulley is a lot older, of course, but it would be nice to see those two come to terms with each other, at least, and have time to find out why the other acted as he did, without someone else butting in. pitbulllady And given Sulley's personality and temperament, he'd be much more willing to listen and understand Randall. As I've said before, age isn't much of an issue when a sturdy foundation is there in any relationship, be it platonic or romantic, and theirs will most likely be built around having someone to talk to and to lean on when life gets tough. It may even be a possitive thing that Sulley is older, since Randall could definitely use a male role model to give him advise and to listen, much like a father or an older brother would, particularly if Randall grew up with none of these. In this sense, I have a feeling Randall will be much more reciprocal than Mike in such a friendship, having probably lived through rough patches himself and understanding what it is like to have actual fears. He'll be genuine and realistic, unlike Mike, who seems to resort more to retail and car therapy and will likely suggest the same for his friend if he's troubled. Retail and car therapy, lol! Well, I guess that's ONE thing I DO have in common with the Eyeball, the "car therapy" part, in any case! Mike strikes me as a classic example of "Only Child Syndrome", who believes that the universe revolves around HIM and him alone, and everyone else in it are just his satellites/support team. I doubt he's ever had to "root, pig, or die hard" as Randall has. I think it would be funny to see Sulley at least trying to make amends with Randall, and reaching out to him as a friend, to see how Mike reacted, especially if it turns out that Sulley and Randall do have more in common, in terms of not only their Midwestern rural roots, but in things like tastes in music. I'd had a couple of plot ideas myself awhile back, in which it's not Sulley, but Mike's MAMA(who is seen at the end of the movie watching his vomit-inducting "play"), who feels sorry for Randall and starts doing little things like inviting him over for a home-cooked dinner, fussing when she doesn't think he's eating enough or getting enough sleep, taking him home-made chicken soup at work when she overhears that he's got a head cold, and generally making her real son REALLY ticked-off. At first, Randall doesn't know what to think or even how to react, since he's not used to anyone actually doing anything nice for him, but he gradually starts to enjoy this pampering...that is, until Mrs. Wazowski starts trying her famous match-making skills out on him, trying to hook him up with all these really ugly chicks with major personality issues and strange family members that she simply cannot see, and he gets scared and decides to let Mike have his mama back! pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 10, 2009 20:09:48 GMT -5
At least Ran is willing to change his mind on things 0_- ------------------ Of course can see Ran getting all "what the he...?" when it comes to some of Sullivan's interest ^0^ Don't know, just an image in my head hehehe. Not to mention that Ran actually DOES know the value of a dollar while Wazowski spends it on any new trinket 0_- Of course, friendship-wise, Randall can't help but be competitive, which might be seen as a turn-off for some people. ------------------------------ Though I don't see Randall opening up COMPLETELY to Sullivan. I mean he HAS worked with the guy, so it's a business friendship in terms of that. And note everyone that Sullivan...well...has a family name with him, and I wouldn't doubt he has allot of support (not to mention a plausible "money" donation from his family), while Ran was alone and worked himself up. He might openly show that jealousy, which would lead to Sullivan questioning why he DOES. And given that two-way thinking, he DOES make a better one than Wazowski.
I actually have a scene in my pixar fic of Ran, of course Sullivan drags him into it, meeting his family. Of course his father sorta unintentionally makes Randall wary though some comments, and Randall is just naturally uncomfortable talking to them. -------------------------------- HER? Pamper Randall? Tah ^0^ That figuratively or literally? ^0^ But that IS an interesting prospect....I mean since she doesn't have a son close by, any and all already out in the world and what not. And if Wazowski did get his racist-urge from somebody, I would pinpoint it to his father (though luckily he's mostly busy, letting Mrs. Wazowski have her say heheh)
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Post by mentalguru on Jun 11, 2009 5:19:51 GMT -5
Yep. I love the three of 'em- Sulley, Randall and Boo.
I want them to sort out their issues. As said in 'movie' thread- Sulley-Boo relationship already shown well in present movie we have. Randall's relationship with either of them... still something possible to play with there.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 11, 2009 18:16:30 GMT -5
True true. *blinks* You know guru, I would have to wonder for your fanfic...any thoughts on HOW Boo's PARENTS reacted to her disappearence?
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 11, 2009 19:48:10 GMT -5
True true. *blinks* You know guru, I would have to wonder for your fanfic...any thoughts on HOW Boo's PARENTS reacted to her disappearence? Better yet, IF the up-coming comics are indeed canon, it would appear, based on one illustration in particular, that Boo is spending a LOT of time in the Monster World with "Kitty". Now, surely if that's the case, her parents are well aware by now that this big blue furry monster is coming into their home at night, and taking their toddler daughter back with him to HIS own world...and to a large factory, at that. And they're OK with this? I know that most parents would be hesitant to trust a human baby sitter that they KNEW fairly well to stay at their home with their young daughter, let alone let someone, human or otherwise, take their child through a dimensional vortex(after her bedtime, no less)and into another world, where they apparently cannot follow. Even harder to believe is that they don't have a CLUE that this is happening at all! I know that Mentalguru explained in her fanfic that Boo's parents, her father especially, were rather "distant", but they can't be THAT distant, and still successfully raise a child! Most parents, especially those of young children, do check in on their kids at night, and certainly with her having gone missing for 24 hours the first time, they are going to really be on-guard against it happening again. pitbulllady
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