DinoGirl
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Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 8, 2009 5:37:06 GMT -5
Couldn't find the thread for the life of me. Could anyone direct me to it? I haven't been active on PP for so long. I find it hilarious when someone tries to make a point, yet spells awful. Yet I hate it when people won't accept that they're wrong. Isn't that what discussions are all about? Trying to see things from other points of view and taking everyone's opionion into consideration? Epic UGH at trolls. Yeah that's very true. Discussions are necissarily comparing things really. Yet in this case, it's gotten out of hand with a user who thinks he is right and everybody else is wrong. I just hate it when people cannot accept their own mistakes.
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Bampot
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Post by Bampot on Feb 8, 2009 18:09:31 GMT -5
Thanks, pitbulllady, I found it now.
Why is Sully any better than Randall? Sully disliked Randall just as much as Randall disliked Sully. Randall was also perfectly justified to dislike Sully. He was Waternoose's dirty man, yet he got no respect from Waternoose for it. At the same time, Sully gets all the love. Of course he's going to be bitter about that.
Randall took on a project for his boss and it turned into something more than he could handle. The fact is, Sully would of done the same exact thing if he were in Randall's situation.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 8, 2009 19:58:06 GMT -5
Sullivan might have done the same thing, but he DID have a few things Randall didn't though...
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Veg
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Post by Veg on Feb 8, 2009 21:57:15 GMT -5
Respect, for one thing...
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Bampot
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Post by Bampot on Feb 9, 2009 0:56:47 GMT -5
Friends for another. Although, Randall probably lost the friends he had when he got involved with the assignment.
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DinoGirl
Randall's Head Servant (300-799)
Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 9, 2009 10:43:54 GMT -5
Friends for another. Although, Randall probably lost the friends he had when he got involved with the assignment. Yeah, or he may not even have had friends before that . I wouldn't have thought Waternoose would have chosen 'Mr Popularity' to do the job .
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Post by lizardgirl on Feb 9, 2009 16:10:01 GMT -5
My reply was in the mindset of a non-Randall fan. I thought it would make more sense to look at the possibility of a sequel to Monsters, Inc. objectively as opposed to 'omgz I want a sequel so Randall can be in it' (even though I DO want a sequel so that Randall can be in it!) The thread was about sequels, not about how much we love or hate Randall, so I was looking at the possibilities of exactly what a sequel would involve.
As pitbulllady has mentioned previously, it could involve Randall returning and going through a character arc where he still manages to maintain his character (sarcastic at times, snipey, a little rough around the edges, quirky- just how we like him) but also sees what he's done wrong, and realises that perhaps what he did was not the best way to go about things. I'd love it if, at the same time, HIS side of the story could be presented, how he was desperate and was stuck between a rock and a hard place, and all those sorts of things.
But is that going to happen? If you want my honest opinion (as a pessimist, of course), no. I just can't see it. I'd love to, I really would, but I can't see even the brains at Pixar taking a character who is portrayed as, overall, a villainous type character and doing that character arc in a way that wouldn't alienate children and parents alike.
Because, unfortunately, a lot of people out there aren't as perceptive as we are. I know that might seem like a bit of a harsh thing to say about people that aren't Randall fans (lets be honest, they do outnumber us) but discluding the people on this Earth that haven't seen the film, or have seen it but don't remember it well, or just don't care enough about it to become a fan of one of its characters, there are still going to be many, many people, including those who were kids at the time of the release of the movie, who see Randall as 'the bad guy'. Even though we, as Randall fans, do tend to step back and admit that Randall "wasn't an angel" and that he "did bad things but he had no choice" and so on and so forth (all of which I agree with wholeheartedly) we don't step back enough. We don't go to the point where we have no empathy at all with the character, and that's the only way we'd ever be able to understand why having a sequel in which a previous villainous character comes back and turns around is such a taboo, almost.
In short, there's not much we can do about it. The reason why I was being so, well, reasonable on Pixar Planet is because the guy had some good points, and instead of just going 'yeah well Randall's a villain, wateva' and leaving the thread, he put the effort into typing out his argument, as much as we might disagree with it. I respect them for that. Yes, some of the points are not always valid, but some of them are pretty well presented. Case in point- he mentions how Fungus might not be a naturally nervous individual (or, at least, not as nervous as he appears throughout the first half of the movie) and that the cause and effect might be the other way around, that Fungus is nervous all the time BECAUSE of Randall. Yes, good point. Randall does treat Fungus badly. I still burn with hatred whenever I see that scene near the end with Fungus jabbering in happiness, 'this is so great!' or something along those lines, but I have to admit, Randall didn't treat Fungus well. Now, we can look beyond that and go, well, Fungus is annoying anyway, and Randall would have been stressed because of building the SE (and therefore spending a lot of time with Fungus) as well as Sulley being Top Scarer all the time, plus Randall had Waternoose on his back and things were not going well for him at that moment in time. Therefore he took his anger out on Fungus, and though we do not condone this, it's just the way Randall reacted to this situation.
As my English teacher would say, 'prove it'. As Randall fans, we have to make assumptions sometimes, because if we didn't, we'd dislike Randall as much as most other people do. Against cold, hard logic, this doesn't always stand up, but does it matter? No, because we understand him and we know him. So this person, DocKenobi or whatever, might not understand or like Randall. He judges the character on what he sees, and why shouldn't he? I like to think that if I felt the same way about another character, I would be free to present my points without being told that I'm wrong on every level and that I don't understand the character and what he's going through, even though we do not see this directly.
Anyway, this has now become a very, very long post. In summary, I love Randall. I want him in a sequel where he is neither the bad guy nor the good guy. If that's not going to be the case, then I don't want a sequel at all.
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Bampot
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Post by Bampot on Feb 9, 2009 19:34:59 GMT -5
Well said, lizardgirl.
Nice to see you again, also.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 9, 2009 20:30:53 GMT -5
Sullivan also had family, father and mother. Not to mention if they are more intelligent than their son, Wazowski's parents may also be an option. Sure PBL would agree with me that even so, Waternoose wouldn't let his "golden boy" do such a project -_-
Ah LG... *folds arms* Though despite the topics, when they come in without some knowledge, they may be making opinions they themselves might change if they knew some of the truths and may understand a few things. Not like it's forcing an opinion on them, but at least letting them know what "fans of the villain" found out. Yes I have been peeking in about how Pixar would do it....
*shrugs* Perhaps if Randall does return and they create an even worse villain to take attention away from him, may not alienate too much. We see non-empathy all the time, so I think we're kind of familiar with it -_-
Through the years we have made strides in finding things out. Not just about Randall either actually. *folds arms* When someone new, yes he's new, comes in and starts spilling the same story over again without looking at the findings is just...well yeah.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 9, 2009 21:29:21 GMT -5
An idea I've always had is that thanks to laugh energy...despite being more efficent, can be more dangerous to collect, thus leading to the possible discovery of the world. And more or less, might be Sullivan's fault, either because of his introduction of the energy source, or probably something due to Randall.
Ahh......Joy.....
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 9, 2009 21:53:34 GMT -5
Sullivan also had family, father and mother. Not to mention if they are more intelligent than their son, Wazowski's parents may also be an option. Sure PBL would agree with me that even so, Waternoose wouldn't let his "golden boy" do such a project -_- Ah LG... *folds arms* Though despite the topics, when they come in without some knowledge, they may be making opinions they themselves might change if they knew some of the truths and may understand a few things. Not like it's forcing an opinion on them, but at least letting them know what "fans of the villain" found out. Yes I have been peeking in about how Pixar would do it.... *shrugs* Perhaps if Randall does return and they create an even worse villain to take attention away from him, may not alienate too much. We see non-empathy all the time, so I think we're kind of familiar with it -_- Through the years we have made strides in finding things out. Not just about Randall either actually. *folds arms* When someone new, yes he's new, comes in and starts spilling the same story over again without looking at the findings is just...well yeah. That's kinda the idea that I think would work insofar as bring Randall back and having him undergo a plausible character arc/development-have a REAL threat to the Monster World, or to Sulley's little corporate piece of it, anyway, emerge, and have Randall be the key to solving that problem, all the while showing HIS struggles with his own guilt and anger. That was the central theme of one of Joy's fanfics, that Randall had to choose between getting revenge on those who'd wronged him, and saving his world from a very real human threat, and in the process, coming to terms with his own mistakes and very inappropriate behavior. I also find the notion of Randall, rather than Sulley this time around, forging a bond with a human child, as he did in LGBB's fanfic, perhaps a kid who's been abused or is an orphan or is sort of an "outcast" due to looking different from other kids-something Randall could relate to. Maybe he would initially be simply trying to use this kid as a means of getting back into the factory, assuming that at some point, some Scarer would come through the kid's closet to scare him/her, and thus providing Randall with an open portal back home, but in the process of waiting, finding his own parental instincts awakened. THAT scenario could provide a means and a reason for civilized discourse between him and his former rival, now that both of them will have had a similar experience in caring about/for a human child. Randall, after all, had no reason to assume that Mike and Sulley had anything good in mind for "the kid", or any reason to think that they were trying to protect her, until HE has a similar experience, and realizes that this is what Sulley was trying to do all along, and why Sulley was so desperate to keep Boo away from him and Waternoose. It's do-able, but whether or not Pixar is willing to undertake that challenge waits to be seen. Like LGBB, though, I tend to be pessimistic about these things. As an afterthought, I've also considered the possibility of having Hurricane Katrina provide a catalyst for Randall's character arc, in a manner somewhat reminiscent of, without being TOO obvious, of "Lt. Dan's" conversion in Forrest Gump, when the angry, embittered Vietnam vet challenges the Almighty to a confrontation, and, in the immortal words of Mr. Gump, "God showed up", in the form of Hurricane Camille. Randall was last seen in Louisiana, after all, and perhaps it would take something as overwhelming as Katrina was to that region to show him that there are a lot bigger problems being dealt with by a lot of folks than his own personal little bit of the universe, however crappy he might have thought his previous situation was. This, too, would provide him with a great opportunity to reveal his more altruistic side. pitbulllady
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DinoGirl
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Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Post by DinoGirl on Mar 7, 2009 15:58:32 GMT -5
Hmm... it seems some people on Facebook think that Randall is a villain. I've been replying to some of the threads and trying to help defend Randall. I haven't had any direct replies on them yet, but I'm waiting to see who is willing to disagree.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 7, 2009 18:34:59 GMT -5
Hmm... it seems some people on Facebook think that Randall is a villain. I've been replying to some of the threads and trying to help defend Randall. I haven't had any direct replies on them yet, but I'm waiting to see who is willing to disagree. You're "Zoe Blinko", right? I finally found the posts and board you were referring to, if you are, and posted my own for back-up, using my real name. I find it laughable that 14-year-old kids who've never worked a day in their lives are so sure how the corporate and professional world works, and that someone who didn't even know who "Waternoose" was could be so sure that Randall was the villain...and couldn't even spell his name right! pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 7, 2009 19:51:32 GMT -5
*shrugs* Newbies to it...
(Strange...I see Pitbulllady's post in the records but not here 0_o)
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DinoGirl
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Post by DinoGirl on Mar 8, 2009 2:57:02 GMT -5
Hmm... it seems some people on Facebook think that Randall is a villain. I've been replying to some of the threads and trying to help defend Randall. I haven't had any direct replies on them yet, but I'm waiting to see who is willing to disagree. You're "Zoe Blinko", right? I finally found the posts and board you were referring to, if you are, and posted my own for back-up, using my real name. I find it laughable that 14-year-old kids who've never worked a day in their lives are so sure how the corporate and professional world works, and that someone who didn't even know who "Waternoose" was could be so sure that Randall was the villain...and couldn't even spell his name right! pitbulllady Ahh, yes that is me ;D. I know . It's ridiculous how they can't even spell his name! Even my friends from school keep spelling his name wrong! (they all know I'm a fan of him . At least his fans are trying hard to get Randall's name cleared in mostly all areas .
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