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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 18, 2009 14:45:24 GMT -5
...and most of the records I have found on the origins of the "Boggs" surname, in the US, anyway, indicate a Scotch-Irish or Irish origin, with most of the original immigration/naturalization records in the US indicating the former. For those of you who don't know, the Scotch-Irish were a unique ethnic group, descended from Scottish families who fled English persecution by immigrating to what is now Northern Ireland. They were somewhat of a bunch of outcasts no matter where they wound up; they never quite fit in or were accepted as Irishmen in their new home, nor were they allowed back in Scotland, now under British control. Many eventually immigrated to the US, settling mostly in the back-country of the American South and Midwest, where they quickly gained a reputation for toughness and independent nature. It's little surprise that in this country today, that particular last name crops up most often wherever there was a strong influence of Scotch-Irish settler, namely in the Southern Appalachian and Cumberland mountains, especially in Georgia, North Carolina and Kentucky, in and around New Orleans and Savannah, GA, and of course, across the southern Midwest, especially in Indiana. There's some indication that the Scottish Livingston family and Maclea family changed their surname to Boggs once they arrived in Northern Ireland, around the Donegal area, to avoid being found by the British and to blend in with the local populace, and there is currently an ongoing DNA research project involving anyone in the US and Ireland and Northern Ireland with those three last names to try to verify this. It seems that there is a unique DNA "marker" that is found in the Boggs family line, found only in nuclear DNA on the Y chromosome, so it's passed down only through males. Another genealogy source, though, states that the Boggs surname is pure Irish Gaelic, originating in County Wexford, and is an Anglicized version of "O' Boga'in", meaning "people of the soft earth", or of the famed Irish bogs.
I found it really interesting that apparently, families in the Monster World so closely parallel those in our world. Randall has a distinct southern Indiana Hoosier accent, strong enough that a friend of mine who was not aware of my obsession with him commented on it when her grandchildren brought up watching the movie on DVD, mentioning that "lizard-looking dude who talks like a %$#* Hoosier". Given that a lot of the Scotch-Irish wound up in Indiana in our world, some to start with, and others by way of Georgia and South and North Carolina, where they were regarded as ruffians by the English-descended gentility of places like Savannah and Charleston(one origin theory for the word "Hoosier" is "hussier", a Scotch-Irish slang term for a tough, backwoods brawler), it wouldn't be surprising if the same thing happened in the Monster World. It would explain a lot of Randall's tough, independent nature, too, if he were the descendant of folks who'd had to fight and struggle for many generations for survival, and had always sorta lived on the edge, never being quite accepted by the establishment no matter where they went, until they finally found a place where they WERE the "establishment", namely the backwoods of Indiana and the remote hills of Kentucky and the Appalachias.
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Post by DinoGirl on Jan 18, 2009 16:40:07 GMT -5
You certainly did do your research! Some awesome facts in there! That was actually a very interesting post to read since I've never really cosidered Randall's main origin. All the homework I did was to find out that the name 'Randall' means 'wolf shield', if the sites I looked on were correct...
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 18, 2009 20:13:44 GMT -5
*blinks* So your saying there's a special gene involved?
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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 18, 2009 20:51:51 GMT -5
*blinks* So your saying there's a special gene involved? Yeah, there seems to a "genetic marker" in the Boggs family line(HUMAN World version at least)that makes it rather easy to trace the history of the family, going back at least to Ireland, Northern Ireland and Scotland. Families which have connections to it, via marriage or name changes, share that same genetic marker, so the project is asking all males born with those last names(Boggs, Maclea, and Livingston, as well as a few others all beginning with "Mac...", for the most part)to submit DNA samples for analysis. Since the gene is carried only by males, females are excluded from the study. They are trying to prove that the Boggs family line in the US originated in Scotland, not Ireland, for one thing, and is connected genetically with the other two families. Most of the original immigrants to the US with the Boggs surname came from Northern Ireland and are believed to have been of Scotch-Irish ancestry, which is how a lot of my own ancestors got here. Incidentally, in lists of famous people with that last name, OUR Randall is one of the names listed! pitbulllady |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 21, 2009 20:18:01 GMT -5
And your surprised at that? ^0-
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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 22, 2009 5:58:43 GMT -5
And your surprised at that? ^0- I sorta was and sorta wasn't. I mean, it lists him as a character from Monsters, Inc., so I am kinda surprised that the list of famous Boggs includes a movie character, but then again, Randall IS really popular considering that it's been 8 years since the movie came out. People on DA discuss him using his first name only, and everyone knows who you're referring to, like when you're talking about Hollywood celebs and mention "Brad" or "Will" and people just know who you mean, because those celebs are such household names that there's no need to mention the last name! If you're on a lot of sites, and mention "Randall", people know who it is. If you say, "Mike", on the other hand, folks ask, "Mike WHO?" pitbulllady |
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Post by DinoGirl on Jan 22, 2009 13:36:30 GMT -5
I have to say, that is true... Randall's one of those not very common names, but that make's it definatly more recognisable. Mike would only be recognisable if you said the last name also because it's a very common name for people. Considering James, that is a common name, but he mostly is referred to by Sulley, so that I'm saying that it's different in this case... I would prefer to call people by their first names when face to face. I'm also actually glad how Pixar changed the name from Ned to Randall. It adds abit of, well, class, because before watching the movie, I remember I had never heard of the name Randall before... But I don't doubt that the name Ned is also very catchy (and that's because I watch Horton Hears A Who alot too ;D). Well, all I'm trying to say is I prefer unusual names  . This brings me to think why did Pixar choose the name Randall instead? Or, how do they even come up with all of the characters names? Do they go through a giant book of baby names or something (unlikely ;D)? |
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 22, 2009 20:06:51 GMT -5
Ho ho! Didn't know his reputation at DevART was so high ^0^
What do you mean? The parents gave the names ^_-
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Post by Bampot on Jan 22, 2009 23:19:54 GMT -5
Wonderful research, pitbulllady! I never really noticed Randall's accent before, but I guess he does sound like a Hoosier. Haha. Born and raised in Southern Indiana and I guess it just passed over my head since that's the accent I'm used to.
Randall is a pretty fine name, but I do agree that it's rare. Was there any reason for choosing it instead of Ned? I don't remember that being mentioned in the DVD features.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 23, 2009 0:22:15 GMT -5
Randall's accent reminds me of two Hoosier natives I've heard talk plenty of times; one being a guy I dated in college who was from Evansville, and the other being Guns 'N Roses frontman W. Axl Rose, who is from West Lafayette. The first time I saw and heard Randall, actually, I was immediately reminded of Axl-same serpentine moves, same green eyes, same Irish attitude, same accent, only Randall speaks a bit more clearly because he doesn't have a wad of Beechnut chewing tobacco in his cheek. Randall exaggerates the "r" part of the "er" ending on words, and turns one-syllable words into two-syllable words, like when he demands that Fungus bring him another "dough-Errr", lol, and "Scare Floor" becomes "Scare-er Flo-err". NO, I'm not making fun of y'all-I love the accent! Randall also has a tendency to stick an "s" on the end of words that aren't supposed to have an "s" on the end, like "anyways". I can just about guarantee that Randall would not be able to pronounce the name of our nation's capitol without sticking an "r" in there! A lot of folks who were major Steve Buscemi fans failed to recognize his voice when they saw Monsters, Inc., since the accent was so different from Steve's usual Brooklyn accent. Randall's accent is almost Southern at times, but then, so is that of many natives of Indiana. I guess it's due to the influence of so many Georgian and North Carolinian natives who migrated up there in the years before the Civil War, and right after it, the poor farmers who were not part of the plantation culture.
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Post by DinoGirl on Jan 23, 2009 10:07:05 GMT -5
Wonderful research, pitbulllady! I never really noticed Randall's accent before, but I guess he does sound like a Hoosier. Haha. Born and raised in Southern Indiana and I guess it just passed over my head since that's the accent I'm used to. Randall is a pretty fine name, but I do agree that it's rare. Was there any reason for choosing it instead of Ned? I don't remember that being mentioned in the DVD features. Oh, that's in the coffee scene with the storyboards . Have a look and you'll see that the storyboard says that it's Ned but Bob Peterson says Randall instead. I'm also thinking... would you have thought that the other storyline would have been better? Not the one with Johnson in, the one where the characters have different roles, like Sulley's just a janitor and Mike is Randall's assitant? |
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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 23, 2009 10:19:35 GMT -5
Wonderful research, pitbulllady! I never really noticed Randall's accent before, but I guess he does sound like a Hoosier. Haha. Born and raised in Southern Indiana and I guess it just passed over my head since that's the accent I'm used to. Randall is a pretty fine name, but I do agree that it's rare. Was there any reason for choosing it instead of Ned? I don't remember that being mentioned in the DVD features. Oh, that's in the coffee scene with the storyboards . Have a look and you'll see that the storyboard says that it's Ned but Bob Peterson says Randall instead. I'm also thinking... would you have thought that the other storyline would have been better? Not the one with Johnson in, the one where the characters have different roles, like Sulley's just a janitor and Mike is Randall's assitant? I actually did like storyline, if only because Randall wasn't the "bad guy", just a character who had this rather acerbic temper, although it was understood that he was all bluff, like Jackie Gleason's character in "The Honyemooners". He wasn't an antagonist, and actually did help "combat" the "threat" of that "dangerous" human child who got into the Monster World. I also liked the idea of Mike, Sulley, and Randall all being Imaginary Friends of this grown-up man who lived a really boring life, and they helped this guy learn how to have fun and live an adventuresome life again. The decision to really make Randall "bad", and have him totally opposed to the "heroes", came late in the screenplay versions, and was largely the result of Michael Eisner's insistence that the movie needed an overt "villain". pitbulllady |
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Post by DinoGirl on Jan 23, 2009 12:17:37 GMT -5
Now that explains alot... I'm actually glad that Disney now has a new CEO, because now they have a more stronger relationship with Pixar than ever. I indeed think Eisner was a little too pushy and demanding with his ideas, and after hearing that from you Pitbulllady which I never knew before, this proves that Disney isn't all it's cracked up to be...
That is probably why we can take away the bad points of Randall and see his true inner monster/good side. Now that has became clear to me, I'm now thinking that Pixar were definatly hinting that he is not a total bad guy, although he did do wrong. This makes it seem to me like Pixar trying to show that they were going around the back exit with Eisner's demands a little...
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jan 23, 2009 19:51:13 GMT -5
Gotta love how they showed Randall there in those storyboards ^0^ Sorta a past look at them, as it would probably be when Sullivan was still a janitor or in training ^_^
The plot would have been better, yes. BUT...if Ran gets his redemtpion and things work out in the sequel...would be happy with the one they aimed at ^_^ But still...makes one wonder...
*folds arms* I actually started a story with that original plot about IM friends for MI (weird how they interchange ^0^) in...Better Than Life I think it was, though it was just with Ran so far.
That's what I thought ^_- Pixar did what they were told, but added in these little nicks. And the fact they did that, they better bring Ran into the light in the sequel.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jan 23, 2009 20:12:35 GMT -5
Gotta love how they showed Randall there in those storyboards ^0^ Sorta a past look at them, as it would probably be when Sullivan was still a janitor or in training ^_^ The plot would have been better, yes. BUT...if Ran gets his redemtpion and things work out in the sequel...would be happy with the one they aimed at ^_^ But still...makes one wonder... *folds arms* I actually started a story with that original plot about IM friends for MI (weird how they interchange ^0^) in...Better Than Life I think it was, though it was just with Ran so far. That's what I thought ^_- Pixar did what they were told, but added in these little nicks. And the fact they did that, they better bring Ran into the light in the sequel. Yeah, it IS interesting how much overlapping, or interchange as you put it, there is between Monsters, Inc. and "Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends", isn't it? Even moreso that there is actually an Imaginary Randall in the episode, "Partying Is Such Sweet Soiree"! pitbulllady |
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