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Post by lizardgirl on Sept 29, 2005 10:45:07 GMT -5
...though I'm not sure if this one has been mentioned before. It's a Disney Villains book, and it had Randall and Waternoose in (along with Scroop, as I know there are Scroop fans here) as well as the usual Disney Villains, and Randall's description was same old, same old; "Cheated to get his way to get to the top, but his secret will soon be found out..." etc etc. For Waternoose, there was just the "would do anything for his company, even harm children" so at least that part of the blame goes to him.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 29, 2005 15:12:47 GMT -5
Yeah. Actually....Pitbulllady wrote a review for it, giving it a 2 for the lies about Randall.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 29, 2005 15:13:40 GMT -5
But she said Waternoose wasn't mentioned.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 29, 2005 16:46:07 GMT -5
I never wrote a review for this book; I just said I'd seen it. The only book I'd "reviewed" was that little "Pixar News" book, and Waternoose wasn't mentioned in that one at all.
I just wish SOMEBODY connected with those books could explain to me just HTF Randall was "cheating his way to the top", when the Scream Extractor was NOT connected to the Scare Board, since it was still in its experimental stage, and by the time it DID become "official", assuming it would have, the Scare Board and any competition involving it would have been made obsolete. Also, with it being very obvious that Waternoose disliked Randall intensely, WTF would he have allowed Randall to do ANYTHING that would have put him ahead of Waternoose's pal and "best Scarer"(Waternoose's words, NOT mine)? That would make no sense whatsoever. If ANYBODY "cheated his way to the top", it was SULLEY, since he got his position at least in part by being close friends with the company's CEO. A little bit of nepotism can go a long way, no?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Sept 30, 2005 12:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 30, 2005 16:20:03 GMT -5
I did not write any of the three reviews for that book. One of our members DID, using the name "Rosa", but I can't recall if that was Mirage or FONY. The other two are from some guy(who makes no mention of Randall)and from a "kid reviewer" who agreed with "Rosa". None from me. I was aware of the book, but the only ones I'd reviewed were the afore-mentioned Pixar News book and that big bedtime stories book, the one mentioned in a post started by Veg.
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Post by lizardgirl on Oct 1, 2005 8:56:15 GMT -5
I just wish SOMEBODY connected with those books could explain to me just HTF Randall was "cheating his way to the top", when the Scream Extractor was NOT connected to the Scare Board, since it was still in its experimental stage, and by the time it DID become "official", assuming it would have, the Scare Board and any competition involving it would have been made obsolete. Also, with it being very obvious that Waternoose disliked Randall intensely, WTF would he have allowed Randall to do ANYTHING that would have put him ahead of Waternoose's pal and "best Scarer"(Waternoose's words, NOT mine)? That would make no sense whatsoever. If ANYBODY "cheated his way to the top", it was SULLEY, since he got his position at least in part by being close friends with the company's CEO. A little bit of nepotism can go a long way, no? pitbulllady But whenever I try to actually explain this to someone who believes that Randall 'cheated', they say that we're reading too deep into the film! Well, if actually paying attention is reading too deep, then that's exactly what we're doing.
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 1, 2005 10:44:26 GMT -5
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But whenever I try to actually explain this to someone who believes that Randall 'cheated', they say that we're reading too deep into the film! Well, if actually paying attention is reading too deep, then that's exactly what we're doing.[/quote]
Seriously! You don't have to look "too deep" to see the very obvious, or at least you're not supposed to! Just ask anyone who says that Randall was "cheating" to give you a specific example, and how it was supposed to help him get "to the top". Bet they can't-they are just parrotting whatever they've read or in many cases, heard from Mike Wazowski, who is the ONLY character in the movie who accuses Randall of "cheating", because Mike did not in fact have a clue what was really going on. You can also mentio that the official "Guide" to the movie has an excerpt from a page in the M.I. Employee Handbook(which is still available through Amazon.com)in which it states that working on the Scare Floor afterhours is ENCOURAGED, regardless of what Jerry said(he was probably just rattled after the "23-19" incident and afraid it would happen again to someone working alone, on HIS floor, and he'd get chewed out for it), so even if Randall HAD been doing that, it would not have been against company policy. It would not have been considered unethical cheating, in other words. Mike was just being his usual jealous self.
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Post by Light Rises on Oct 1, 2005 17:13:13 GMT -5
You can also mentio that the official "Guide" to the movie has an excerpt from a page in the M.I. Employee Handbook(which is still available through Amazon.com)in which it states that working on the Scare Floor afterhours is ENCOURAGED, regardless of what Jerry said(he was probably just rattled after the "23-19" incident and afraid it would happen again to someone working alone, on HIS floor, and he'd get chewed out for it), so even if Randall HAD been doing that, it would not have been against company policy. It would not have been considered unethical cheating, in other words. Mike was just being his usual jealous self. pitbulllady And there's something else I've thought of: What if Jerry had been TOLD to ensure that everyone had to leave Scarefloor F upon quitting time, at least for that day? Doesn't it make more sense for Randall to go through with getting the needed child when no one else was around scaring (and potentially seeing something they might deem "suspicious" at Randall's station), than if Scarers were allowed to clock in their normal overtime, if they so chose to? Somehow, I sorta doubt that was something Waternoose would leave to chance, so I have to wonder if the decision to clear the Scarefloor was purely based on Jerry's whim. Either way, though, it was ridiculous of Mike (or people who've watched the movie, for that matter) to assume that Randall was cheating -- not only because of the company's policy regarding overtime, but also because it was clear in the film that Scarefloor F was pretty much shut down by the time Sulley ran back to retrieve Mike's paperwork, INCLUDING the tallyboard. Sans the tallyboard, Randall couldn't cheat, and the SE was most DEFINITELY not attached to the tallyboard! And we all SAW how Randall reacted to being accused of cheating; he had to lie -- LIE -- about what he was really involved with by agreeing that he was a "cheater"! Geez...people just need to get a clue! ~Light Rises
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Post by pitbulllady on Oct 1, 2005 21:45:02 GMT -5
Since Waternoose was present when the "23-19" occured, you can BET that the decision to make sure no doors were left out on the Scare Floor was NOT Jerry's! Waternoose had to make sure his patsy(Randall)had sole access to the Scare Floor at at time when he'd be able to bring in the child, and that no one else would be there.
And of course, with the Scare Floor shut down, including the Scare Board, AND the SE NOT attached to said Scare Board, there is no way that any screams collected by Randall with the SE would have counted at all towards his total. There is also no evidence AT ALL that Randall had done anything unethical to get where he was, which was 2nd place(NOT "the top"). Waternoose would not have allowed it, anyway, since he clearly didn't like Randall one bit, and surely would not have tolerated him doing anything to depose his precious James P. Sullivan, not even an honest day's work!
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Post by Veg on Oct 1, 2005 23:06:49 GMT -5
What the book said, that just made me mad! What did they say about Scroop?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Oct 2, 2005 2:33:13 GMT -5
But I see your name there Pitbulllady....
Err... Anyway....
Randall had the knowledge that kids weren't toxic. The other monster's fear from the 23-19 caused them not to work overtime. Heck. Monsters Inc. was only accident free for a few days before hand. Besides, Randall was able to sneak in in any case. Waternoose had access to anything in the factory.
Wazowski's accusations (err) to Randall was merely because Randall was more intellegent than he was. Heck. He's accussed Randall of cheating in more than just scareing. Faintly, he NEVER wants to admit that, overall, Randall's just a better monster.
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Post by lizardgirl on Oct 2, 2005 4:31:18 GMT -5
What did they say about Scroop? Basically, it was a whole stream of insults- 'black-hearted' and that kind of thing, without actually saying what he had actually done to be deemed in this way. That's Disney for ya.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Oct 4, 2005 1:16:05 GMT -5
Basically the same crap for everyone....
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Post by lizardgirl on Oct 6, 2005 11:56:33 GMT -5
Yeeeeep.
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