DinoGirl
Randall's Head Servant (300-799)
Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Fronds?
Dec 16, 2008 12:15:33 GMT -5
Post by DinoGirl on Dec 16, 2008 12:15:33 GMT -5
Ok, this idea first got into my head when I was having a VERY long discussion with my friend who likes Randall, but I'm sure not as much as I do ;D.
Anyway, I asked 'What do you think his fronds are for?'. My friend came up with 1st a heat soaking device. I don't think Randall's cold blooded so I disagreed with that but then she came up with mating display. I've never thought about it soo clearly before! I don't know... I believe that it's a mating display now but:
What do you think?
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Malic
Randall's Skivvy (0-299)
Bravery is not the absence of fear.
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Fronds?
Dec 16, 2008 17:42:48 GMT -5
Post by Malic on Dec 16, 2008 17:42:48 GMT -5
Well from what I've learned your right about him being warm-blooded. A mating display would be the most logical conclusion after that.
Perhaps vestigial limbs, or maybe something to help with blending into the background.
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Dec 16, 2008 18:30:59 GMT -5
Post by pitbulllady on Dec 16, 2008 18:30:59 GMT -5
Randall's fronds were originally patterned after an iguana's head spines, which are actually soft, not sharp, and which are both heat-absorbing AND used in males to attract mates. They're a secondary gender characteristic, like a rooster's comb or a pea c o c k's tail. In some of the original concept drawings of Randall, shown in "The Art of Monster's Inc.", he looks basically like an iguana with too many limbs, complete with head spines/crest. At some point, the Pixar folks changed the look of the spines to be more "soft" and rounded, rather than flat, like a real iguana's are. I'm absolutely 100% certain that Randall is as warm-blooded as we are, so his fronds would play no role in heat absorption, but they COULD help him DISSIPATE body heat, which is probably why he puts water on them in the bathroom scene: he's stressed and overheated. Their position also indicates his emotional state; if you notice, when he's really P.O'd, or excited about something, like when he actually tops the Scare Board, they go up, an lie flatter when he's calm. And, as you pointed out, Dinogirl, they probably ARE a secondary gender characteristic(assuming a female like Randall would even have them, hers would most likely be much smaller)that would serve to attract females, even on a subliminal level. Male iguanas will try to rip off each other's head spines when they fight, and female iggies will have nothing to do with a male that either hasn't grown a nice, impressive set yet, or has lost his in battle, so to a female, a big set of spines/fronds apparently means more masculine and bigger in OTHER departments, IF you know what I mean!
pitbulllady
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Dec 16, 2008 19:22:14 GMT -5
Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 16, 2008 19:22:14 GMT -5
Sounds like something Norb would say ^0^
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DinoGirl
Randall's Head Servant (300-799)
Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Fronds?
Dec 17, 2008 10:45:30 GMT -5
Post by DinoGirl on Dec 17, 2008 10:45:30 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing it up for me pitbulllady
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DinoGirl
Randall's Head Servant (300-799)
Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Fronds?
Dec 28, 2008 11:03:57 GMT -5
Post by DinoGirl on Dec 28, 2008 11:03:57 GMT -5
I've just noticed that when Randall kind of slithers or speeds up, he folds his fronds down. Is this to reduce any kind of drag and to make him more streamlined? You could compare my idea to sharks... they have skin that lets the water flow by.
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Dec 28, 2008 11:58:29 GMT -5
Post by pitbulllady on Dec 28, 2008 11:58:29 GMT -5
I've just noticed that when Randall kind of slithers or speeds up, he folds his fronds down. Is this to reduce any kind of drag and to make him more streamlined? You could compare my idea to sharks... they have skin that lets the water flow by. That would make sense. Plus, HE might not fold them back, so much as his forward momentum does, since they are flexible. It could also be an involuntary physical reaction to being put in a "flight/fight" situation, to keep them from being injured, since their position makes them vulnerable, and from what I can gather, they probably have a pretty good blood supply, so an injury to one would likely be pretty messy as well as painful. pitbulllady
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DinoGirl
Randall's Head Servant (300-799)
Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Fronds?
Dec 28, 2008 15:55:30 GMT -5
Post by DinoGirl on Dec 28, 2008 15:55:30 GMT -5
The thought of having his fronds pulled off DOES seem extremely painful! In the movie when Boo pulled on them, you could see the amount of pain Randall was going through since he was obeying whatever direction Boo pulled. I'm glad that Boo didn't pull his tail as we all know it would have probably broken off .
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Dec 28, 2008 20:00:09 GMT -5
Post by RandallBoggs on Dec 28, 2008 20:00:09 GMT -5
Probably because he's moving so fast ^0^ Well kinda explains Boo's grabbing of them heh. Well I doubt his is the tail that's easy to pull off ^_^
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Dec 28, 2008 22:36:47 GMT -5
Post by pitbulllady on Dec 28, 2008 22:36:47 GMT -5
The thought of having his fronds pulled off DOES seem extremely painful! In the movie when Boo pulled on them, you could see the amount of pain Randall was going through since he was obeying whatever direction Boo pulled. I'm glad that Boo didn't pull his tail as we all know it would have probably broken off . I doubt seriously that Randall's tail is designed to break off-OR re-grow-like that of some small(key word here: SMALL)real Human World lizard species. Lizards whose tails can do that are constantly at risk of being eaten by just about every predator, so that is a defense mechanism. Tail breaks off at the slightest tug, and keeps twitching, maintaining the predator's attention while the lizard escapes. Randall's tail is more like of that the large Varanids(Monitors), in that it's extremely strong. Note that he used it to knock Sulley, who weighs over half a TON, several feet-if that tail was gonna break off, it would have done so then, for sure! Randall also uses his tail for balance, and as an extra "hand"(as if he didn't have enough already), so it's far too necessary a limb to be expendable like the tails of small lizards, whose tails are pretty much ONLY designed to break off and distract carnivorous creatures that are trying to eat them. It's not like too many things are going to try to eat Randall, after all(stupid trailer-dwelling rednecks notwithstanding); losing his tail would be comparable to having a leg or arm amputated. pitbulllady
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DinoGirl
Randall's Head Servant (300-799)
Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Fronds?
Dec 29, 2008 4:32:46 GMT -5
Post by DinoGirl on Dec 29, 2008 4:32:46 GMT -5
Oh yeah... I never thought of that . So his tail is strongly built like a moniter, Komodo Dragon. Right, I finally know .
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Dec 29, 2008 10:05:17 GMT -5
Post by pitbulllady on Dec 29, 2008 10:05:17 GMT -5
Oh yeah... I never thought of that . So his tail is strongly built like a moniter, Komodo Dragon. Right, I finally know . Yep, except it's prehensile, too, like a Tree Monitor's. Komodos can break a person's leg very badly with one swing of that tail, or if it connects with the torso, can cause internal injuries. Steven Irwin got whacked by a fairly small Komodo in filming once, and it almost knocked him down, and lacerated the skin through his khakis. I've been whacked by a 20-pound White-Throated Monitor, and it left bruises so bad they took months to finally go away, and everyone thought I'd either been abused by some spouse of partner, or been in an automobile crash or something! This was from a lizard the size of a large house cat! pitbulllady
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DinoGirl
Randall's Head Servant (300-799)
Aladar sure has one sparkling eye!
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Fronds?
Dec 29, 2008 12:14:00 GMT -5
Post by DinoGirl on Dec 29, 2008 12:14:00 GMT -5
Ouch! That most of hurt
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Feb 16, 2009 18:20:18 GMT -5
Post by lizardgirl on Feb 16, 2009 18:20:18 GMT -5
Surprised I haven't replied to this thread! Randall's fronds are one of my favourite features of his.
I agree with everything pitbulllady has said (oh ye fountain of reptile knowledge! :lol:) and I also like to think (although this is very speculative) that in a way, Randall's fronds might have been included in his design to make him stick out more, sort of. Like, when whoever designed him designed him, they obviously wanted to create a character that didn't exactly blend in (ironically, since he physically can :lol:) but that seemed like a bit of an odd one out type guy, therefore partly explaining his desperation to get that Scare Record. The fact that Randall has scales and is generally reptillian is probably the single trait that makes him stick out the most, and within that his fronds do give him a more 'different' appearance, especially considering that most lizards do not have that feature. Even the iguanas that do have softer fronds like Randall's don't have them in that obvious a way (as far as I'm aware) and I can see Randall almost having a love-hate relationship with them, since they make him stand out so much more.
It's just an idea that came from watching the Company Play- the one thing that Needleman used to show that he was playing the character of Randall (that is, if Needleman did choose to wear the glove as fronds, though it wouldn't surprise me if it was originally Mike's idea considering how much he seemed to enjoy making fun of them earlier) and I wouldn't be surprised if Randall was bullied about them in some way earlier in his life.
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Feb 16, 2009 19:29:38 GMT -5
Post by pitbulllady on Feb 16, 2009 19:29:38 GMT -5
Surprised I haven't replied to this thread! Randall's fronds are one of my favourite features of his. I agree with everything pitbulllady has said (oh ye fountain of reptile knowledge! :lol:) and I also like to think (although this is very speculative) that in a way, Randall's fronds might have been included in his design to make him stick out more, sort of. Like, when whoever designed him designed him, they obviously wanted to create a character that didn't exactly blend in (ironically, since he physically can :lol:) but that seemed like a bit of an odd one out type guy, therefore partly explaining his desperation to get that Scare Record. The fact that Randall has scales and is generally reptillian is probably the single trait that makes him stick out the most, and within that his fronds do give him a more 'different' appearance, especially considering that most lizards do not have that feature. Even the iguanas that do have softer fronds like Randall's don't have them in that obvious a way (as far as I'm aware) and I can see Randall almost having a love-hate relationship with them, since they make him stand out so much more. It's just an idea that came from watching the Company Play- the one thing that Needleman used to show that he was playing the character of Randall (that is, if Needleman did choose to wear the glove as fronds, though it wouldn't surprise me if it was originally Mike's idea considering how much he seemed to enjoy making fun of them earlier) and I wouldn't be surprised if Randall was bullied about them in some way earlier in his life. Good points about Randall having a "love-hate" relationship with his fronds, like I used to have with my freckles and red hair, lol! Randall's fronds DO make him stand out, not necessarily in a good way, and along with his generally lizard-like appearance, probably make him appear more animal-like, and therefore less evolved, to many other monsters. He probably did get bullied about those things earlier in life, and his attitude could very well have developed over time as a defense against that. Randall's fronds also make it hard for him to do something that many adult guys are really good at-hiding/concealing his true emotions! They go up or down, probably involuntarily, depending on his mood, so no matter how much he tries to act nonchalant, those fronds give his true feelings away. pitbulllady
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