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Post by lizardgirl on May 29, 2005 12:30:20 GMT -5
But, I guess, if you think about it, Randall wouldn't have been able to build the SE without Fungus, because it would've been physically too much for Randall to work at MI then build the machine afterwards for such a long time.
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 29, 2005 12:42:09 GMT -5
"Hmph...fate....he got himself into the trouble...not my fault.....I had to keep him with me....I wouldn't even want Waternoose to get to him..."
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Post by lizardgirl on May 29, 2005 12:43:54 GMT -5
It does annoy me a little, though, that he did help with the SE yet didn't receieve any punishment. On the contrary, it seems- he got a reward because he was made a comedian!
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 29, 2005 12:47:28 GMT -5
"Traitor....I saved him from Waternoose and THAT'S how he thanks me?"
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Post by lizardgirl on May 29, 2005 13:03:50 GMT -5
It DOES seem pretty ridiculous that that happened- especially with Sullivan's great sense of 'justice'.
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 29, 2005 13:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by lizardgirl on May 29, 2005 13:21:04 GMT -5
I don't see how Sullivan could do what he did to Randall and not think, "Hey, Fungus was involved too- I'd better punish him."
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 29, 2005 13:32:45 GMT -5
You know there are many answers to that Cool...
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Post by lizardgirl on May 30, 2005 7:04:56 GMT -5
And anyway, wouldn't seeing Fungus on the Laugh Floor day in, day out just be a painful reminder to Sullivan?
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 30, 2005 11:16:28 GMT -5
"Na..."
Nope...
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Post by lizardgirl on May 31, 2005 6:56:23 GMT -5
I think it would- seeing Fungus, Randall's only friend, every day would surely remind him of what he did to Randall, and I'm very sure that he's guilty about that.
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 31, 2005 11:52:33 GMT -5
"Pfft...YEAH RIGHT! It's been a...no wait...it's been FOUR YEARS! If he had wanted to do something....he would have done it already now wouldn't he?"
Not that Sullivan would risk his life for someone other than those he cares about....
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Post by Light Rises on May 31, 2005 13:31:52 GMT -5
*cracks knuckles* Alrighty...first, the reason I figure why Sulley didn't think to "punish" Fungus as well was probably because -- from Sulley's perspective -- Fungus had served as Randall's "punching bag," and had been an "innocent" pawn in Waternoose's scheme (which would be ironic, since Randall was the main pawn, and the least in control of his own actions). If there was any sort of friendship between Randall and Fungus (as I suspect there was, although they probably weren't really aware of it), Sulley most likely wouldn't have picked up on it, just as it probably never occured to him to think about why Randall's behavior had changed so dramatically over the months leading up to the movie's events (since he ain't exactly the most perceptive guy, and these probably weren't matters he'd care about normally, since neither Randall nor Fungus most likely had ever been friends of his). So, since he'd been convinced at the time that Fungus was the only victim in the scheme of things, Sulley decided to offer him a "reward" for all the crap he apparently had to put up with. I DO agree with Cool, though, that after a while, seeing Fungus out there on the Laughfloor day in and day out might begin to seriously bug Sulley -- especially if he's starting to question whether throwing Randall into the Human World had been the right thing to do.
...Which leads me to why Sulley hasn't DONE anything in light of his guilt. It's a question I've seen brought up here several times before, and it's a very good one. But I think I've come across an explanation -- namely, that perhaps Sulley has been in a state of denial this entire time. Look at it this way: Sulley agrees to send Randall into exile, and in an act of vengeance goes through with it, right? But then once Sulley has had time to cool down (and once things in his life in general have died down enough to give him some time to think), he starts to second guess his actions regarding Randall. After all, he threw him through a door and into possible death because he was mad at him, and doing something like that just because you're MAD at someone isn't right, yes? But Sulley strikes me as someone who doesn't like to think he's capable of doing BAD things, and so he tries to convince himself that Randall "deserved" what he got, that he got a taste of his own medicine, blah blah blah ad nauseam. But this might not feel like good enough justification to Sulley after a little while...until two other factors are taken into account. Life's busy now; Sulley's the CEO of the largest power company in Monstropolis, and he's had to deal with adjusting to a high-responsibility managerial position as well as with overseeing the conversion to laugh power. So his mind is often occupied with other worries, and probably are welcome distractions whenever his wall of self-justification (chiefly, in regards to what he did to Randall) begins to crumble. And, of course, there's Mike...a guy who's probably relishing in all this new success that's come his and Sulley's way. We know, judging from their conversation in the Himalayas, that Sulley had felt sorry for allowing Mike's sense of happiness and security be "encroached" upon, so it wouldn't surprise me if Sulley STILL feels reluctant to bring up a subject that could potentially endanger that sense of happiness and security again out of guilt for what had happened the last time. And that's not even to mention the probability that Sulley knows that Mike's reaction to Sulley confessing his guilt towards what they did to Randall WOULDN'T be a good one. There's one last possible element, too: that if it ever crossed Sulley's mind that he should do something to rectify his actions, he might then try to brush it off by convincing himself that there's nothing he can really do. And that's especially true if -- in the back of his mind -- Sulley fears it's too late anyway, and that Randall might already be dead.
I do believe that, if Sulley comes to accept the fact that he did something very wrong, then he'd be willing to stand up for his convictions, even in front of Mike. But unless he's confronted with the reality of what he's done (since nothing else seems to be striking a deep enough chord with him thus far), I'm afraid that this vicious cycle of denial could continue for years to come.
~Light Rises
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 31, 2005 13:43:03 GMT -5
Hmph...bravo....... But it's not likely Randall would ever forgive him....
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Post by pitbulllady on May 31, 2005 17:59:22 GMT -5
I have to agree with everything L.R. said, and to add to it this: if Sulley DOES carry on that burden of guilt/denial for years, it will have VERY detrimental effects on his health and well-being down the road. Something like that, in a person who actually has a conscience, will eat at them like a cancer until it eventually consumes them, unless they bring it out into the open and deal with it.
The same thing goes for Randall, too, if he refuses to let go of his anger and resentment. It will eventually destroy him as surely and a painfully as a malignancy from within. He won't change anything by remaining full of hate and anger; what happened, happened. It will be difficult for him to conquer it, but it's something that must be done. There will have to be some sort of closure for both him and Sulley, or they are both going to suffer enormously, more so than either already have, if they cannot at least accept each other and move on. They won't likely ever be friends, but at least they can agree to no longer be enemies.
pitbulllady
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