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Post by mintygreen on Jun 21, 2013 22:22:32 GMT -5
But I heard that they DID show that in the screenings, so I don't know, maybe they took it out because they thought it would make Randall's story too sympathetic and still make his anger at Sullivan seem more justified, thus weakening that "link" between MU Randy and MI Randall, that they needed to show. I'm disappointed, though, because there ARE a lot of people who do not realize that Randall gets kicked out, and don't make that connection between him not being seen anymore and Johnny offering Sulley that "spare" ROR jacket, so to them it just seems like Randall was being a sore loser and hating Sulley for no good reason, turning into a jerk, in other words. pitbulllady So what exactly happens to Randy after he loses? What does Johnny say to him? (I won't be able to see the movie for a LONG time, so I don't mind spoilers) So there really was a scene like that and they removed it after early screenings? I find that really upsetting, because I think it's hurting Randall more in the eyes of people who are seeing the film now.
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Post by TheOnePistol on Jun 21, 2013 23:10:53 GMT -5
But I heard that they DID show that in the screenings, so I don't know, maybe they took it out because they thought it would make Randall's story too sympathetic and still make his anger at Sullivan seem more justified, thus weakening that "link" between MU Randy and MI Randall, that they needed to show. I'm disappointed, though, because there ARE a lot of people who do not realize that Randall gets kicked out, and don't make that connection between him not being seen anymore and Johnny offering Sulley that "spare" ROR jacket, so to them it just seems like Randall was being a sore loser and hating Sulley for no good reason, turning into a jerk, in other words. pitbulllady No they didn't show it in the screenings either, I remember asking Remy about that.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 21, 2013 23:32:00 GMT -5
But I heard that they DID show that in the screenings, so I don't know, maybe they took it out because they thought it would make Randall's story too sympathetic and still make his anger at Sullivan seem more justified, thus weakening that "link" between MU Randy and MI Randall, that they needed to show. I'm disappointed, though, because there ARE a lot of people who do not realize that Randall gets kicked out, and don't make that connection between him not being seen anymore and Johnny offering Sulley that "spare" ROR jacket, so to them it just seems like Randall was being a sore loser and hating Sulley for no good reason, turning into a jerk, in other words. pitbulllady No they didn't show it in the screenings either, I remember asking Remy about that. I'm confused, because when he wrote that scene in his fanfic, "What Might Have Been", which you can now read in the Fanfiction section, I asked him specifically if that's how it happened in the screening, and he told me that it DID happen just like that, word for word. Even in the Jr. Novelization they go into a bit more detail than the actual movie, with Chet telling Randall, "You STINK, Boggs!" following his failed scare, but in the movie, only Johnny talks to him, and it's only to raise an eyebrow at Randall's color change and to tell him that he might have cost them the win. No insults or anything, other than the laughter and jeering from the spectators. pitbulllady
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Post by mintygreen on Jun 21, 2013 23:38:49 GMT -5
You know how people are blaming Randall for not joining Mike's fraternity....
Aside from what I saw PBL mention on tumblr about this, there's another reason why people shouldn't blame Randall for this.
Before Mike was even a part of a fraternity, Randall had ALREADY joined ROR. Randall didn't join ROR after Mike asked him to be on his team....Randall had ALREADY commited to ROR before Mike ever asked him. He already had the ROR jacket before Mike asked him.
I personally wouldn't expect a friend of mine to be on my team....ESPECIALLY if they had already commited to another group.
How would Randall know that Mike was even going to take part in the Scare Games before he joined ROR? How would Randall even know that Mike would ever join a fraternity?
People think it's a jerk move that Randall didn't join with Mike after Mike asks him....but he could also be considered a jerk by some people if he suddenly abandoned another group that he already pledged to. Especially because they were about to CLOSE entry to the Scare Games and had Randall suddenly bailed on ROR to be on Mike's team....then ROR might have had a problem by being short a member and maybe they would have been screwed over as a result.
Seriously.
Fact is that Randall didn't really want to let ANYONE down....Mike or anyone else....but he would have ended up letting SOMEONE down no matter what choice he made that day.
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Post by mintygreen on Jun 22, 2013 0:12:32 GMT -5
Wow just saw that drawing of someone drawing herself slapping Randall because of the events in MU and calling him a shallow baby who deserved his end. Seriously?
Hitting him would be the last thing I'd ever do to him....and no one deserves what he got at the end of MI if that was what she's referring to.
I think a lot of people just really don't understand him. In a way I think they are lucky that they don't understand him because it means they've probably never gone through the same things he has.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 22, 2013 0:26:34 GMT -5
Wow just saw that drawing of someone drawing herself slapping Randall because of the events in MU and calling him a shallow baby who deserved his end. Seriously? Hitting him would be the last thing I'd ever do to him....and no one deserves what he got at the end of MI if that was what she's referring to. I think a lot of people just really don't understand him. In a way I think they are lucky that they don't understand him because it means they've probably never gone through the same things he has. That is pretty much what I told one of them, think it was her. People who already have a happy life, with friends and such, who have SOMEONE who supports them emotionally and doesn't treat them like dirt, who aren't struggling to try to find themselves and find acceptance, can't understand those for whom that does not come so easily...or at all. It's kinda like Marie Antoinette, when told that the peasants have no bread, said, "well let them eat CAKE!" It is often not possible for someone who "has" to understand someone who "has not". pitbulllady
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Post by TheOnePistol on Jun 22, 2013 1:28:57 GMT -5
No they didn't show it in the screenings either, I remember asking Remy about that. I'm confused, because when he wrote that scene in his fanfic, "What Might Have Been", which you can now read in the Fanfiction section, I asked him specifically if that's how it happened in the screening, and he told me that it DID happen just like that, word for word. Even in the Jr. Novelization they go into a bit more detail than the actual movie, with Chet telling Randall, "You STINK, Boggs!" following his failed scare, but in the movie, only Johnny talks to him, and it's only to raise an eyebrow at Randall's color change and to tell him that he might have cost them the win. No insults or anything, other than the laughter and jeering from the spectators. pitbulllady Maybe it was a misunderstanding, because he told me that him speaking to Sully after the scare games was the last we see of him in the movie, after that Johnny comes up offering a position in RoR to Sully.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 10:26:45 GMT -5
No they didn't show it in the screenings either, I remember asking Remy about that. I'm confused, because when he wrote that scene in his fanfic, "What Might Have Been", which you can now read in the Fanfiction section, I asked him specifically if that's how it happened in the screening, and he told me that it DID happen just like that, word for word. Even in the Jr. Novelization they go into a bit more detail than the actual movie, with Chet telling Randall, "You STINK, Boggs!" following his failed scare, but in the movie, only Johnny talks to him, and it's only to raise an eyebrow at Randall's color change and to tell him that he might have cost them the win. No insults or anything, other than the laughter and jeering from the spectators. pitbulllady PBL, to clarify, I reread my message to you in PM, and what I said was that the OPENING scenes, occurred that way, word for word, but I didn't mention anything about the closing scenes, which I can say were the exact same from the advanced screening. I added in some dialogue as it's taking place from Randall's perspective AND some things are occurring differently. I think this was a case of misunderstanding, because by opening scenes, I meant the START of the Scare Games, and not the end of the fic. The conclusion of the Scare Games sadly remained the same. HOWEVER... I can't help but shake the feeling there may HAVE been more in the dialogue between Sulley and Johnny, when Johnny invites Sullivan back into the group. I just seem to recall that hitting me MUCH heavier in the advanced screening than it did the second time around, because I remember there being just more.... direct impact that Randall had been kicked out of the group. Whether it was because some dialogue was changed or because I already knew what was coming and the impact was lost, I don't know. I can't clearly remember that scene now from months ago, sadly, and I really wish I could.
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Post by number-1-scarer on Jun 22, 2013 15:12:16 GMT -5
everyone keeps saying he was barely in it
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Post by usernamesareadrag on Jun 23, 2013 20:15:15 GMT -5
I have to agree that Randall doesn't deserve all of the hate that he's getting on Tumblr. If anything, Monsters University served to make him an even more sympathetic character in my eyes. His social awkwardness and desire to be accepted by his peers really struck a note with me. Then again, I don't think that A LOT of characters should get that level of hate, but that's what happens. Maybe it was more people building up in their own minds what would happen to Randell? I think I remember a few posts guessing that some truly awful things would happen to Randall(physically beaten, bullied incessantly, etc.) and, when they couldn't understand the truly horrific emotional turmoil he went through throughout the movie(especially as a member of ROR) they were upset because their expectations seemingly hadn't been met. I don't know, though. That's just my opinion.
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Post by wandering on Jun 23, 2013 20:46:36 GMT -5
I have to agree that Randall doesn't deserve all of the hate that he's getting on Tumblr. If anything, Monsters University served to make him an even more sympathetic character in my eyes. His social awkwardness and desire to be accepted by his peers really struck a note with me. Then again, I don't think that A LOT of characters should get that level of hate, but that's what happens. Maybe it was more people building up in their own minds what would happen to Randell? I think I remember a few posts guessing that some truly awful things would happen to Randall(physically beaten, bullied incessantly, etc.) and, when they couldn't understand the truly horrific emotional turmoil he went through throughout the movie(especially as a member of ROR) they were upset because their expectations seemingly hadn't been met. I don't know, though. That's just my opinion. Hey there, I think you totally nailed it really! It seems to be a case of peoples expectations being way too high for the character (on tumblr at least). Considering he is supposed to be the villain in MI I believe Randall got off easy in MU, and had a good bit of sympathetic light cast on him, especially in the beginning with his interactions with Mike. I'm also kinda alright with how little screen time he had. It leaves way more room for interpretation, sort of like Pixar left us to fill in the blanks for what seems to be happening in Randall's mind throughout the film, and we can get little glimpses of that in things as simple as reaction shots/expressions. Nothing terribly tragic needed to happen like people were building up on tumblr. I think it was enough in that final Scare game with the competition with Sulley; for that to happen to anyone would be mortifying enough, but to know that Randall seems to be all about trying to fit in, it was clearly his worse nightmare come true. It got my sympathy anyway, whether that was Pixar's intent or not.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 23, 2013 22:10:30 GMT -5
I think that a lot of people have a very narrow definition of "tragic" on Tumblr, as well as on a lot of other sites, including Deviant Art and IMDb. To them, it seems that "tragic" has to involve character death, dismemberment or other horrible physical injury, lots of crying and groaning and gnashing of teeth, slashing of wrists and oceans of tears. They have to be seen overtly being beaten up, called names, having their lunch money stolen and then bleed and cry over everything or threaten to take their own life. We don't see that with Randall, so therefore, to those people, there was no "tragedy" involved with his story at all, and he just became "mean" for no good reason.
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Post by mintygreen on Jun 25, 2013 2:25:38 GMT -5
I think that a lot of people have a very narrow definition of "tragic" on Tumblr, as well as on a lot of other sites, including Deviant Art and IMDb. To them, it seems that "tragic" has to involve character death, dismemberment or other horrible physical injury, lots of crying and groaning and gnashing of teeth, slashing of wrists and oceans of tears. They have to be seen overtly being beaten up, called names, having their lunch money stolen and then bleed and cry over everything or threaten to take their own life. We don't see that with Randall, so therefore, to those people, there was no "tragedy" involved with his story at all, and he just became "mean" for no good reason. pitbulllady Yeah, I mean they probably aren't going to show such extreme things like that openly in a movie that kid's watch. Not to mention that isn't the only kind of pain that people can suffer. It's like how people who have an invisible illness always struggle with people telling them that they aren't really sick or are 'faking it'. An example is mental illness, which is often both stigmatized and not taken seriously by a lot of people. If people can't see some PHYSICAL issue they aren't as likely to believe it or take it seriously. Anyway, I did think that Randall would actually be more accepted after this movie....I'm rather shocked by what some people are saying. I mean I always expect that from some people but it seems to be a LOT of people.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 25, 2013 18:35:08 GMT -5
I had to skim a lot...so I have to sorta focus on my own perceptions of things rather than comment on what's been presented thus far.
I'm not a tumblr person, seems a big mess to me, but PBL...your page is simple and not a glorified page-persona. It's clean and efficient, gets the job done. Through it...I see what you mean. Honestly? I'm not surprised. Should have expected this people.
Humans, as a mass...are idiots. It's an overly common trait that humans...just hate. There are exceptions, like they're are with many things, but at the core of most humans, they just want to hate something. Hate their brother for being more successful, hate a co-worker just because they manage to be happy on a Monday, hate a "character" because they, seemingly, can't fight back. *chuckles* Anybody remember WHY Mon (monsters) left the Man so long-long ago?
While haters may have had some grounding with just the MI material...with MU...their barking is just pathetic. They just look at the onset and believe themselves correct in their assumptions. They don't take the time to look...sometimes even when they do, they just deny what's in front of them because they don't want to admit they were wrong or that their perception of things is clouded.
One thing to remember is...their opinions are biased. They hate Randall from the start and refuse to see differently. Fine, everybody's entitled to their own opinion...even if it's wrong. I've supported Randall and have given others (like Wazowski and Sullivan) grounding in many issues. I am not biased in that regard. Although now that I know Sullivan had a firm hand in hurting Randall, even if unintentional, kind of makes the times I supported him rather...uncomfortable now.... Still...Sullivan cleaned up and is unaware of what he had done to Randall. That can actually be said between all three of them.
Don't get upset over these people guys, new and coming members as well. Defend Randall as he should be defended, yes...fight the good fight against the malice of humanity. It's a tough job...but somebody's got to defend the little guy eh?
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Post by Kidversion on Jun 26, 2013 2:47:46 GMT -5
Oh my gosh.... I'm so glad to hear that it showed Randall getting kicked out. Cause I was soooo disappointed with how his character was in the movie. It felt like so many parts with Randall got cut. How does he get ROR's attention to join ROR?! Does he nervously run into that Johnny guy and turn invisible showing Johnny that he has a unique power?! And DOES he get kicked out by Johnny fueling his anger even more?! And what about Mike?! In the movie when ROR is bullying Mike and OK not ONCE did Mike call out to "Randy", and ask... "Why Randy... why are you helping them make fun of us, or betray me?!" or something... He just focuses on OK most of the time. 3 months ago I was expecting to see a scene where Randy gets so humiliated (for being his sweet nerdy self) and bullied that he completely snaps and cries or something... that's what I've also noticed with Pixar... they never make their characters cry... except for Merida in Brave (is it b/c she's a girl -_-) and Marlin (justified his wife and kids died).... I just wish that they explored his character more. Sure it would make us feel sorry for him, but hey... it was their idea in the first place to make a sequel... and even more their idea to make him a sweet nerd. If they weren't gonna show him much in this movie why make him sweet at all?! Just keep the nerd part and make him a starscream to Johnny..... but then...... I would miss seeing Randall act all cute in the movie.... but seriously.... I hope they have deleted scenes in the movie that have to deal with Randall's moments b/c in the movie there just wasn't ENOUGH of him. They basically wasted a good character plot. I thought they were gonna(ror) try to use Randall's invisibility to cheat or steal or something illegal that would get him humiliated and introuble... AAAND kicked out of the college, but even THEY don't do that! So Randall's turning all evil doesn't make sense to me. It's a freudian excuse... it's like me being evil because I lost the singing competition to another girl, I mean it doesn't seem tragic enough! And that's a total disappointment. It made me grade the movie from an A- to a B. (bad movies don't make it on my grading list btw). .... Just ....come on Pixar! I don't even work for you and I KNOW what the fans want. Either way it's still a good movie. Better than Cars 2 and Brave I think.
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