Veg
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Post by Veg on Feb 12, 2006 1:23:17 GMT -5
I hope and plead nobody flames me for this! I just thought I would just go up and say what is wrong with fur. There is plenty of cruelty around fur-trimmed coats, gloves and scarves.
For starters, there is not a single law protecting the millions of animals killed each year by the U.S. fur industry. This means that it's perfectly legal to cram minks, foxes, raccoons, and chinchillas into tiny, filthy wire cages—where they stay for months or years, covered in feces and parasites and without proper food, water, or shelter from the elements—and then kill them by poisoning, gassing, neck-breaking, or anal electrocution as the animals scream and writhe in pain.
And it means that it's also perfectly legal to trap lynx, coyotes, and wolves in the wild and leave them to suffer, crying out in agony, for days or even weeks before stomping them to death or skinning them alive.
What's more, even dogs and cats are killed for their fur. PETA's recent undercover investigation into the Chinese fur trade revealed unimaginable cruelty. Millions of dogs and cats are bludgeoned, boiled, strangled with wire nooses, and bled to death before they are skinned for their fur. Imagine if your animal companion were stolen, killed, and then made into fur trinkets or fur trim for American consumers.
It's illegal to import dog and cat fur into the United States, but that apparently hasn't stopped the fur trade. The fur industry simply mislabels the fur, saying that it is from foxes, raccoons, or other species. China supplies more than half of the finished fur garments that are sold in the United States.
So if you buy anything with any fur whatsoever, you could be wearing someone's beloved dog or cat. With that in mind, when you're asked what's wrong with fur, please tell people that every fur coat, lining, or trim can represent the immense suffering of several dozen animals. That's right, several dozen—just for one garment!
I'll go somewhere far, far, far, far, far, far, far away now if you are going to flame me. *crawls away*
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Post by lizardgirl on Feb 12, 2006 7:21:40 GMT -5
Hey, don't worry, you're in the right part of the forum to talk about yourself and what you believe in. *nods* Personally, I don't even like faux fur, and I'd never even consider buying something that had real fur on it.
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yoruhoshi
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Post by yoruhoshi on Feb 12, 2006 10:05:43 GMT -5
I agree, skinning animals is sick and wrong. I tried to talk about it in school once when I was using cheetahs for a debate topic ( I LOVE cheetahs) and all the other girls laughed at me and said that they don't care as long as they get their coats. Oh man, was I on deadly rampage the rest of that day. At least the guys in my class knew better. They kept their mouths shut.
You would appreciate my boyfriend Veg. He's not a vegetarian, but he doesn't approve of killing animals, either.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 12, 2006 12:41:45 GMT -5
Somebody's, Pitbulllady I think, gonna make a statement about how this, but we got here first ^_^ Alligator skin and snake skin is used to make suits and stuff as well. And, thank you for telling me about this Pitbulllady, it's WORSE for them because they have several sensory...ugh...umm...well....they kinda feel pain (More snakes than alligators I think) in a more ADVANCED way than others. Such as a pin needle would feel like a hammer...
"Err...."
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Post by vladimirgg on Feb 12, 2006 16:52:00 GMT -5
Hey, don't worry, you're in the right part of the forum to talk about yourself and what you believe in. *nods* Personally, I don't even like faux fur, and I'd never even consider buying something that had real fur on it. *nods* I'm the same way. I'm especially touchy about killing foxes Poor little kitsunes.... to me the fur industry is no different from a death camp I'll eat meat ,but I'll be damned if I ever cater to these fur mongering nazis! A needle? So much for you getting a tattoo Ran.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 12, 2006 16:59:25 GMT -5
He's not like that actually...
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 12, 2006 17:33:48 GMT -5
Fur farming, as bad as it sounds, is actually a birthday party compared to trapping. Animals on fur farms MUST be healthy, and well-cared for, since in mammals, one of the first things to go if an animal is not in peak condition, and stress-free, is its hair. Any cat or dog owner can tell you that. If an animal is stressed, physically or emotionally, its coat quickly becomes dull and starts to fall out. Humans aren't any different, since stress is a leading cause of human hair loss, too. Animals on fur farms that are harvested for their pelts die quickly and painlessly compared to animals that are caught in steel traps, though. I've seen animals that have been caught in steel leg-hold traps, and I got caught in one myself when I was 10, so I can state from first-hand experience how bad it can be! Traps also will catch anything that steps in them, humans included, and are not selective. In some areas, more than 70% of the animals caught in traps are considered "junk", of no economic value, so they are simply killed and tossed aside to rot, or released to die of gangrene, which is worse.
I don't wear fur, mainly becaues I live in the South, where for the most part, it's too HOT. I am not into the whole glamor thing and could care less about fashion. I also do have problems with wild-harvested animal skins, especially those of reptiles like monitor lizards and pythons from Asia, which are skinned alive because the people believe that the skin will stay softer that way. I am not in any way, shape or form, a vegetarian, though I will not deny anyone their right to eat whatever they want to eat, anymore than I would deny anyone their right to wear what they want to wear. It will take gradual education to make people WANT to stop wearing fur, and protests and throwing paint on New Yorkers wearing furs are only going to serve the same purpose as terrorists planting bombs-to make people that much more determined to do the very things the protesters are pitching fits about. It will still be easier, though, to attract public sympathies for animals like "cute little kitsunes", since foxes are at least similar to Man's Best Friend, but much harder to garner sympathy for a Reticulated Python or a Water Monitor, although the latter is more intelligent than a fox and is more capable of sensing pain.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 12, 2006 17:48:25 GMT -5
True true...
I don't think I wear any fur...or anything made from an animal...
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Post by vladimirgg on Feb 12, 2006 18:13:27 GMT -5
Fur farming, as bad as it sounds, is actually a birthday party compared to trapping. Animals on fur farms MUST be healthy, and well-cared for, since in mammals, one of the first things to go if an animal is not in peak condition, and stress-free, is its hair. Any cat or dog owner can tell you that. If an animal is stressed, physically or emotionally, its coat quickly becomes dull and starts to fall out. Humans aren't any different, since stress is a leading cause of human hair loss, too. Animals on fur farms that are harvested for their pelts die quickly and painlessly compared to animals that are caught in steel traps, though. I've seen animals that have been caught in steel leg-hold traps, and I got caught in one myself when I was 10, so I can state from first-hand experience how bad it can be! Traps also will catch anything that steps in them, humans included, and are not selective. In some areas, more than 70% of the animals caught in traps are considered "junk", of no economic value, so they are simply killed and tossed aside to rot, or released to die of gangrene, which is worse. I don't wear fur, mainly becaues I live in the South, where for the most part, it's too HOT. I am not into the whole glamor thing and could care less about fashion. I also do have problems with wild-harvested animal skins, especially those of reptiles like monitor lizards and pythons from Asia, which are skinned alive because the people believe that the skin will stay softer that way. I am not in any way, shape or form, a vegetarian, though I will not deny anyone their right to eat whatever they want to eat, anymore than I would deny anyone their right to wear what they want to wear. It will take gradual education to make people WANT to stop wearing fur, and protests and throwing paint on New Yorkers wearing furs are only going to serve the same purpose as terrorists planting bombs-to make people that much more determined to do the very things the protesters are pitching fits about. It will still be easier, though, to attract public sympathies for animals like "cute little kitsunes", since foxes are at least similar to Man's Best Friend, but much harder to garner sympathy for a Reticulated Python or a Water Monitor, although the latter is more intelligent than a fox and is more capable of sensing pain. pitbulllady What is with the quotations? The tattoo bit was a joke and I never once said that the needless slaughtering of a fox was worst then skinning a reptile alive. I belive killing an animal.. ANY animal for it's pelt/skin is cruel.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 12, 2006 18:18:48 GMT -5
I think I got lost in the conversation somewhere....
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 12, 2006 20:52:46 GMT -5
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What is with the quotations? The tattoo bit was a joke and I never once said that the needless slaughtering of a fox was worst then skinning a reptile alive. I belive killing an animal.. ANY animal for it's pelt/skin is cruel. [/quote]
I was using it as a reference, that's all. I do know that most people, though I am not referring to you, would raise Holy You-know-What at the thought of skinning a mammal alive, yet think nothing of doing that to a reptile. I have started HUGE fights on dog-related boards when some other member would come on and brag about torturing and killing a snake, or in one case, a TURTLE. I mean, WHO would even find a TURTLE to be threatening, enough that she would pour kerosine on the poor thing and set it on fire? Her excuse? "It was UGLY". Gee, if being ugly was enough of an excuse to set something/someBODY on fire, there would sure be a lot of charred bodies around, wouldn't there? Another woman(yes, BOTH perpetrators were female)boasted about letting her Catahoula Leopard Dog attack a KINGSNAKE, which she KNEW was a Kingsnake, and KNEW was harmless, just for the fun of letting the dog tear something up, something which could not possibly fight back in any way, shape or form! I did not initially reply, but posted instead a newspaper article about a teenage boy who got convicted of animal cruelty after siccing his Rottweiler on a stray kitten. The boy's actions, described by a witness, were almost the same, word for word, as that of the woman who sicced her Catahoula(another large powerful dog)on the snake, and the boy's excuse for doing so was, word for word, exactly the same, except that instead of "I hate snakes", it was "I hate CATS". Of coure, everyone on the board was appalled that the kid had done such a horrible thing, INCLUDING the woman who'd just bragged about doing the exact same thing to the snake! They just did not get it. What was horrible to do to a kitten, was OK and admirable to do to the snake, yet not ONE person could tell me WHY. The moderator finally kicked me off the board when I pointed out that at least the kitten could do far more damage to the Rottweiler with its claws and teeth than a Kingsnake could do to a Catahoula, even if it did bite, and the kitten DID have the option of running away, very fast, and climbing a tree, which the snake did not have, since Kingsnakes cannot move anywhere near as fast as a cat, and Catahoulas can climb trees, too. These people felt that the killing of ANY reptile, by whatever means, was justified simply because they were reptiles, period, but a mammal is too much like us.
pitbulllady
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Post by vladimirgg on Feb 12, 2006 21:51:37 GMT -5
What is with the quotations? The tattoo bit was a joke and I never once said that the needless slaughtering of a fox was worst then skinning a reptile alive. I belive killing an animal.. ANY animal for it's pelt/skin is cruel. [/quote] I was using it as a reference, that's all. I do know that most people, though I am not referring to you, would raise Holy You-know-What at the thought of skinning a mammal alive, yet think nothing of doing that to a reptile. I have started HUGE fights on dog-related boards when some other member would come on and brag about torturing and killing a snake, or in one case, a TURTLE. I mean, WHO would even find a TURTLE to be threatening, enough that she would pour kerosine on the poor thing and set it on fire? Her excuse? "It was UGLY". Gee, if being ugly was enough of an excuse to set something/someBODY on fire, there would sure be a lot of charred bodies around, wouldn't there? Another woman(yes, BOTH perpetrators were female)boasted about letting her Catahoula Leopard Dog attack a KINGSNAKE, which she KNEW was a Kingsnake, and KNEW was harmless, just for the fun of letting the dog tear something up, something which could not possibly fight back in any way, shape or form! I did not initially reply, but posted instead a newspaper article about a teenage boy who got convicted of animal cruelty after siccing his Rottweiler on a stray kitten. The boy's actions, described by a witness, were almost the same, word for word, as that of the woman who sicced her Catahoula(another large powerful dog)on the snake, and the boy's excuse for doing so was, word for word, exactly the same, except that instead of "I hate snakes", it was "I hate CATS". Of coure, everyone on the board was appalled that the kid had done such a horrible thing, INCLUDING the woman who'd just bragged about doing the exact same thing to the snake! They just did not get it. What was horrible to do to a kitten, was OK and admirable to do to the snake, yet not ONE person could tell me WHY. The moderator finally kicked me off the board when I pointed out that at least the kitten could do far more damage to the Rottweiler with its claws and teeth than a Kingsnake could do to a Catahoula, even if it did bite, and the kitten DID have the option of running away, very fast, and climbing a tree, which the snake did not have, since Kingsnakes cannot move anywhere near as fast as a cat, and Catahoulas can climb trees, too. These people felt that the killing of ANY reptile, by whatever means, was justified simply because they were reptiles, period, but a mammal is too much like us. pitbulllady[/quote] I see, pardon my touchyness I agree, just because someone finds something gross doesn't mean it desearves to die.
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Veg
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Post by Veg on Feb 12, 2006 23:45:23 GMT -5
*pokes head out from hiding place* Do you know that people who abuse animals turn into murderers? Here are some notorious killers and school sharp shooters who tortured animals. • As a child, serial killer and rapist Ted Bundy—ultimately convicted of two killings but suspected of murdering more than 40 women—witnessed his father’s violence toward animals, and he himself subsequently tortured animals. • Earl Kenneth Shriner, who raped and stabbed a 7-year-old boy, was known in his neighborhood for hanging cats and torturing dogs. • David Berkowitz (a.k.a. “Son of Sam”), who pleaded guilty to 13 murder and attempted murder charges, shot a neighbor’s Labrador retriever. • Brenda Spencer, who opened fire at a California school, killing two children and injuring nine others, had repeatedly abused cats and dogs, often setting their tails on fire. • Serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer impaled the heads of dogs and cats on sticks. • April 1999/Littleton, Colo. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold shot to death 12 fellow students and a teacher and injured more than 20 others. Both teens had reportedly boasted about mutilating animals. • May 1998/Springfield, Ore. Kip Kinkel, 15, killed his parents and opened fire in his high school cafeteria, killing two and injuring 22 others. He had a history of animal abuse and torture, having boasted about blowing up a cow and killing cats, chipmunks, and squirrels by putting lit firecrackers in their mouths. • March 1998/Jonesboro, Ark. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, pulled their school’s fire alarm and then shot and killed four classmates and a teacher. Golden reportedly used to shoot dogs “all the time with a .22.” • December 1997/West Paducah, Ky. Michael Carneal, 14, shot and killed three students during a school prayer meeting. Carneal had been heard talking about throwing a cat into a bonfire. • October 1997/Pearl, Miss. Luke Woodham, 16, shot and killed two of his classmates and injured seven others after stabbing his mother to death. Woodham’s journal revealed that, in a moment of “true beauty,” he and a friend had beaten, burned, and tortured his own dog, Sparkle, to death. Shocking isn't it? All those helpless, innocent animals!
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Post by vladimirgg on Feb 13, 2006 9:15:26 GMT -5
Well, holy crap! That's so sad, it's a shame that the innocent, animals and human alike, must suffer at the hands of others.... While we're telling horror stories,when I was a kid, my neighbors (REAL jockholes by the way) just nonchalontly picked up a defensless little toad and repeatedly flung the poor thing against the fence! I tried to save it,but I was a little girl at the tender age of eight, and I just couldn't.... what really pisses me off is that their mother( who resembled a toad... ) just sat there and did nothing! I was in tears, I went up to her and asked how she could just sit there and LET them and she replied "Who f*cking cares?! It's just a damn toad!" to quote directly. If she is just going to dismiss cruelty to animals (and to a tiny green-eyed brunette little girly too) what reason do a have to belive she would give a care if her precious little boy someday abused his wife?
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Post by nauticusvergil on Feb 13, 2006 10:37:38 GMT -5
Horrible people.....
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