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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 17, 2013 21:46:56 GMT -5
I'm sure I read something to this effect somewhere else, but can't recall exactly where at the moment, but I did have this thought for all the people who say that Mike and Randall were really best buds and Randall dumped Mike and Mike was all hurt about it.
MU establishes that if Mike Wazowski considers something important and worthwhile, he puts all his effort into achieving it and holding onto it. If it's something Mike wants, Mike does NOT give up on getting it, or let go of it once he's got it. Mike is determined to the point of obsession in the pursuit of that goal, whatever it might be. He's not going to take "no" for an answer, nor is he going to let someone else sway his determination or stand in his way. He might have to switch tactics to get what he wants and modify his plans, but he isn't going to simply say, "OK, I give up". Even when he thought that he had to give up his dream of becoming a great Scarer, he figured out, as time went on, that he just had to be a bit more patient and adjust his thinking, and include someone ELSE in those plans, and work WITH that someone- Sulley- to finally make his dream a reality. Mike becomes a "Scarer-by-Proxy" as it were, but he still gets to reap all the perks and benefits as though he alone were doing the Scaring. He NEVER really did give up after all.
Now, with that thought in mind, consider Mike's reaction to Randall joining ROR, and leaving him, based on what we see in the MOVIE. He has a few seconds of initial disappointment when Randall tells him he's already on a team and therefore can't join Mike's team, whoever they are, but it's NOT because he's lost Randall as a friend. It's because he's failed to acquire that vital sixth team member to be in the Scare Games and he's only got a few seconds left to do this. Once Sulley steps up, as much as Mike despises HIM, he relents and lets Sulley on the team...and we see absolutely no more reaction to Randall's leaving. Mike NEVER again mentions Randall. Mike never again SPEAKS to Randall. Mike never even so much as LOOKS directly at Randall, but always interacts with Johnny(and briefly, a couple of angry looks in Chet's direction when Chet was being...well, Chet)alone out of all the ROR's. It's as though Randall did not exist, because as far as Mike is concerned, he never did, other than just another face in a crowd, someone Mike kinda-sorta knew once, like a stranger you meet in a check-out line at the supermarket and with whom you exchange a friendly conversation while waiting on the line to move. IF Randall's friendship had actually been important to Mike at all, do you think that Mike would have simply let it go, just like that? That he would have just said, "oh, well, I guess I lost that friend, then", and NOT done ANYTHING to get that friendship back? NOT the Mike Wazowski who doggedly pursued what he wanted for all those years, he wouldn't! That he was so willing to simply let Randall go like that, and just write him off, says a lot of just how important that friendship was to Mike. It WASN'T. If he'd really valued that, he would have hardly let someone like Johnny or the other guys in ROR stand in his way. He would not have let Randall off without some sort of explanation beyond "I'm already on a team, Mike", and "try not to blow this for me, Mike", either. Mike would have demanded answers, demanded to know what he'd done wrong and could do to fix it, to earn that trust and friendship back, to do whatever it took to reverse that situation. But he does nothing. He just lets it go and never once acts as though he was the least bit hurt by the loss, no sad faces, no downcast expressions when in Randall's presence, nothing.
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Post by pitvipersnake on Sept 23, 2013 12:44:41 GMT -5
I agree with all of that. Mike didn't appear to consider Randall as a friend, just someone who was there. They hung around together because no one else would.
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 23, 2013 14:24:05 GMT -5
I agree with all of that. Mike didn't appear to consider Randall as a friend, just someone who was there. They hung around together because no one else would. EXACTLY! NO one other than Randall would hang around with Mike at all, until he put himself in Oozma Kappa! Randall was the only one on campus who would even talk to the guy, who actually believed in him and supported him in his pursuit of his dream, never ONCE telling Mike that he wouldn't make it as a Scarer or that he wasn't scary, or insinuating that he give up on that dream. In fact, we actually SEE Randall-not once, but TWICE-helping Mike to achieve his dream by quizzing him on upcoming test items, smiling when Mike gets the answers right, happy just because Mike is happy. Out of the entire student body, and probably all of the faculty(with the possible exception of Prof. Derek Knight), Randall alone actually believed in Mike's abilities, and just got ignored and pushed aside for all his support. That's why Johnny decided to bring Randall into ROR, even though it was way past the normal time frame for new recruits to join a fraternity: he wanted to isolate Mike completely, take away his only supporter just to prove his point and set an example- This is what happens when you mess with ROR. Mike had embarrassed them by making better grades than their member, Sulley, and rubbed his good grades in their faces, and there's no way that Johnny was going to let that slide. All Mike had at that time was Randall, so Johnny targeted HIM. It just makes me so angry and frustrated that most of the hate now directed at Randall has not so much to do with the things he does in MI, as with people thinking that he "dumped" Mike or "abandoned" Mike, just to "be one of the cool kids" or climb a social ladder, that he "turned on Mike" by going along, apparently willingly, with Johnny's prank against the OK's, a prank that ALL of the fraternities and sororities were in on, btw. pitbulllady
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Post by pitvipersnake on Sept 23, 2013 15:44:15 GMT -5
That's true. Randall wanted to be a friend to Mike and Mike just ignored him or used him. Randall put up with it because he thought he couldn't do any better or because (as he probably hadn't had many friends in the past) he didn't realise that wasn't how friends were meant to be. If Randall hadn't joined ROR and mike hadn't made friends with Sulley Mike would probably have kept on using Randall in the same way he used Sulley, to eventually end up as assistant to the top Scarer (which would have been Randall if Mike hadn't put Sulley through that intensive training regime). I'm unsure about Johnny only inviting Randall to join ROR to get at Mike, but then again I don't really understand how fraternities work (British universities don't have them).
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 23, 2013 16:58:35 GMT -5
That's true. Randall wanted to be a friend to Mike and Mike just ignored him or used him. Randall put up with it because he thought he couldn't do any better or because (as he probably hadn't had many friends in the past) he didn't realise that wasn't how friends were meant to be. If Randall hadn't joined ROR and mike hadn't made friends with Sulley Mike would probably have kept on using Randall in the same way he used Sulley, to eventually end up as assistant to the top Scarer (which would have been Randall if Mike hadn't put Sulley through that intensive training regime). I'm unsure about Johnny only inviting Randall to join ROR to get at Mike, but then again I don't really understand how fraternities work (British universities don't have them). For anyone to be able to get into a fraternity, they have to join during what's known as "Rush Week", which is near the beginning of the Fall semester, usually in early September once everyone has had a chance to "settle in". That was a Rush party that Randall attended, with the cupcakes. That's when the various fraternities and sororities put on a show and try to attract new members, when people have a chance to check each organization out and decide which, if any, they are going to pledge. Once Rush Week ends, you usually cannot pledge a fraternity or sorority except by special invitation, either by one of the frat's leaders or with the approval of its leaders. At the time of the final exams, when Mike and Sulley got kicked out of the Scare Program, it would have been December, which is at the end of the First(Fall)Semester, right before the entire university goes on Christmas/Winter Break, which usually lasts about 3 weeks, sometimes a full month. Clearly Randall was NOT in a fraternity at that time, nor was he on some "waiting list" to get into ROR as someone had suggested, otherwise I'm sure we would have known about it. MIKE would have known about it, since they were still roommates, and he would not have even bothered asking Randall to join his team at the Scare Games sign-ups in January. He would have already known that Randall was on a team, tentatively, at least. ROR needed a sixth team member; that's true. After all, they'd had to drop Sulley because he could not meet two of the fraternity's main requirements: be a Scare Major AND maintain a high GPA, and those two requirements would not have been something Johnny came up with, either. He himself would have had to meet those same requirements, chapter president or not. Randall met those requirements, BUT, ROR also had an image to uphold and maintain that probably wasn't in their rule book, one of those "unwritten rules". ROR wanted members who came from distinguished families, from families with money and reputations as Scarers, members who projected an air of confidence and "don't *&^% with us" attitude, and Randall certainly did NOT fit any of those! Other than the grades and being a Scare Major, Randall didn't fit ROR's image AT ALL, and surely out of all the Scare Majors on campus, who had good grades and were not pledged to a fraternity, ROR could have found someone to join their ranks, to provide them with that sixth team member, who fit their image much better than Randall did. Knowing that, and knowing that this late in the year the only way for him to have gotten into ANY fraternity would have been upon special invitation and approval, it makes me believe that there was another motive for asking HIM, out of all the qualified candidates on campus, besides just filling that sixth spot. Johnny is all about winning and image, and already Mike had made a fool of Sulley, who was in ROR at the time, by consistently getting better grades, and in shaming a ROR member, he'd shamed the whole fraternity, and most of all, he'd showed up Johnny. Johnny could no longer simply dismiss Mike, and if Mike could make him feel like he'd been bested, who knows who else might get the notion that they could talk smack to Johnny Worthington III and get away with it? He needed to put Mike in his place, and make him an example of what would happen to anyone who thought they were better than ROR, better than Johnny. He couldn't do something as crass as physical retribution or vandalizing Mike's property, things that would get him kicked out of the university and possibly result in ROR losing their charter at that campus, so he had to be subtle about it. If you pay attention, as Mike and Randall are going up the stairs to the class on that final exam day, and Randall is once more quizzing Mike(quite happily and cheerfully, glad to help out), you'll notice that Johnny is actually following them, having separated for a moment from the rest of his posse, and is watching them intently. You can almost see those "gears" turning in that broad head of his as he takes this exchange in and formulates a plan. I'm pretty sure that even before class had started, Johnny was considering how he could use Randall to make his point to Mike, and when he had to drop Sulley, he would have gotten his answer right there: invite Randall into ROR to replace Sulley, convince Randall that ROR was his friends, that Mike wasn't, that he had to swear loyalty to them and ONLY them, and he'd be "cool" and acceptable now, no longer a nerdy outcast and a "joke", but someone that everyone would take seriously from now on. For someone like Randall, that's like a dream come true, the answer to his biggest problem right there. pitbulllady
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Post by mintygreen on Sept 23, 2013 21:34:30 GMT -5
I agree with all of that. Mike didn't appear to consider Randall as a friend, just someone who was there. They hung around together because no one else would. EXACTLY! NO one other than Randall would hang around with Mike at all, until he put himself in Oozma Kappa! Randall was the only one on campus who would even talk to the guy, who actually believed in him and supported him in his pursuit of his dream, never ONCE telling Mike that he wouldn't make it as a Scarer or that he wasn't scary, or insinuating that he give up on that dream. In fact, we actually SEE Randall-not once, but TWICE-helping Mike to achieve his dream by quizzing him on upcoming test items, smiling when Mike gets the answers right, happy just because Mike is happy. Out of the entire student body, and probably all of the faculty(with the possible exception of Prof. Derek Knight), Randall alone actually believed in Mike's abilities, and just got ignored and pushed aside for all his support. That's why Johnny decided to bring Randall into ROR, even though it was way past the normal time frame for new recruits to join a fraternity: he wanted to isolate Mike completely, take away his only supporter just to prove his point and set an example- This is what happens when you mess with ROR. Mike had embarrassed them by making better grades than their member, Sulley, and rubbed his good grades in their faces, and there's no way that Johnny was going to let that slide. All Mike had at that time was Randall, so Johnny targeted HIM. It just makes me so angry and frustrated that most of the hate now directed at Randall has not so much to do with the things he does in MI, as with people thinking that he "dumped" Mike or "abandoned" Mike, just to "be one of the cool kids" or climb a social ladder, that he "turned on Mike" by going along, apparently willingly, with Johnny's prank against the OK's, a prank that ALL of the fraternities and sororities were in on, btw. pitbulllady Yeah. I actually think that Randall felt like he related a lot to Mike. He saw Mike trying to be successful and find his place....and Randall was trying to do the same thing. And yeah....the prank thing....but when you think about it, everyone else in the school would have done a prank like that to Mike long before Randall would have ever considered it. It was like Randall was the last one to jump on the "Let's hate Mike." bandwagon....and even then he was uncomfortable about it and only did it because of social pressure(which is still bad, I know, but it's not like he's sick and evil).
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 23, 2013 22:09:56 GMT -5
EXACTLY! NO one other than Randall would hang around with Mike at all, until he put himself in Oozma Kappa! Randall was the only one on campus who would even talk to the guy, who actually believed in him and supported him in his pursuit of his dream, never ONCE telling Mike that he wouldn't make it as a Scarer or that he wasn't scary, or insinuating that he give up on that dream. In fact, we actually SEE Randall-not once, but TWICE-helping Mike to achieve his dream by quizzing him on upcoming test items, smiling when Mike gets the answers right, happy just because Mike is happy. Out of the entire student body, and probably all of the faculty(with the possible exception of Prof. Derek Knight), Randall alone actually believed in Mike's abilities, and just got ignored and pushed aside for all his support. That's why Johnny decided to bring Randall into ROR, even though it was way past the normal time frame for new recruits to join a fraternity: he wanted to isolate Mike completely, take away his only supporter just to prove his point and set an example- This is what happens when you mess with ROR. Mike had embarrassed them by making better grades than their member, Sulley, and rubbed his good grades in their faces, and there's no way that Johnny was going to let that slide. All Mike had at that time was Randall, so Johnny targeted HIM. It just makes me so angry and frustrated that most of the hate now directed at Randall has not so much to do with the things he does in MI, as with people thinking that he "dumped" Mike or "abandoned" Mike, just to "be one of the cool kids" or climb a social ladder, that he "turned on Mike" by going along, apparently willingly, with Johnny's prank against the OK's, a prank that ALL of the fraternities and sororities were in on, btw. pitbulllady Yeah. I actually think that Randall felt like he related a lot to Mike. He saw Mike trying to be successful and find his place....and Randall was trying to do the same thing. And yeah....the prank thing....but when you think about it, everyone else in the school would have done a prank like that to Mike long before Randall would have ever considered it. It was like Randall was the last one to jump on the "Let's hate Mike." bandwagon....and even then he was uncomfortable about it and only did it because of social pressure(which is still bad, I know, but it's not like he's sick and evil). I don't even think that Randall was ON a "let's hate Mike" bandwagon. I can only imagine what the ROR guys would have told him about pranks on other fraternities being a rite of passage, and indeed, I strongly believe that this was part of his initiation, having him prove his loyalty to ROR and obedience to Johnny, along with reassurances that no one would be actually hurt. Frats prank each other all the time. It's like a competition, and honestly, if your frat has never been pranked, it's like they don't matter. They are irrelevant. Once you get pranked, it's like you're SOMEBODY now. The other members of the OK's, other than Sulley, seemed fine with this. They were happily smiling and having a ball even as they were showered with flowers, glitter and those dreaded stuffed animals. The only reason that even became an issue is because Mike was so angry about it, but it wasn't Randall he was angry with. It was Johnny. Mike knew exactly who'd orchestrated that. I doubt he even noticed who was holding the stuffed animals, after having all that other stuff dumped on him. Consider this, though, if Randall had been 100% comfortable doing what he did, WHY did he turn "invisible" right up until the last second? Why didn't he want anyone to SEE him? The other ROR's couldn't turn invisible, and even if they could, they WANTED the OK's to know THEIR roles! Randall related to Mike because he knew that Mike was a social outcast, like himself, someone who'd been put down and shunned all his life. Randall wanted the same for Mike that he wanted for himself: to make friends, to find a peer group(the "cool kids")that would accept them, offer them social acceptability and a sense of belonging. Randall figured Mike would want this as much as he did, but he was mistaken. That meant little or nothing to Mike. When you see that scene where they first meet, you can see that at first, Randall just stands there and stares. That's because he's taking stock of his new roommate, assessing the threat level. You can palpably sense Randall's relief to see that his new roommate is not some big, burly jock who will probably make his life a living hell, but a little nerdy guy like himself! Another scene to really watch is in the classroom, following that confrontation between Mike and Sulley, as Randall "blends". Watch his face closely, and you will see, just before he becomes invisible, him close his eyes and a look of such anguish and sadness come across his features. I really think that this was that epiphany, when Randall knew that he'd have to drop his efforts to win over Mike's friendship, that Mike was going to do whatever Mike wanted to do, Randall's advice be damned, and that really associating with Mike beyond just being a roommate could even put Randall's own status in the Scare Program at risk, and get HIM kicked out as well. Whoever was paying Randall's tuition, whether it was some family member or a scholarship(ESPECIALLY if he was going on a scholarship, since that would specifically be earmarked for a particular major), would not be happy if Randall threw that away just to be friends with someone who wanted nothing to do with him. He had to make that painful decision that it was time to give up, accept that Mike would never be his "best chum", and move on, but I do still think it hurt him, and continued to hurt him, every time he saw that rich kid, Sullivan, now as Mike's best chum. pitbulllady
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Post by mintygreen on Sept 23, 2013 22:17:08 GMT -5
Yeah. I actually think that Randall felt like he related a lot to Mike. He saw Mike trying to be successful and find his place....and Randall was trying to do the same thing. And yeah....the prank thing....but when you think about it, everyone else in the school would have done a prank like that to Mike long before Randall would have ever considered it. It was like Randall was the last one to jump on the "Let's hate Mike." bandwagon....and even then he was uncomfortable about it and only did it because of social pressure(which is still bad, I know, but it's not like he's sick and evil). I don't even think that Randall was ON a "let's hate Mike" bandwagon. I can only imagine what the ROR guys would have told him about pranks on other fraternities being a rite of passage, and indeed, I strongly believe that this was part of his initiation, having him prove his loyalty to ROR and obedience to Johnny, along with reassurances that no one would be actually hurt. Frats prank each other all the time. It's like a competition, and honestly, if your frat has never been pranked, it's like they don't matter. They are irrelevant. Once you get pranked, it's like you're SOMEBODY now. The other members of the OK's, other than Sulley, seemed fine with this. They were happily smiling and having a ball even as they were showered with flowers, glitter and those dreaded stuffed animals. The only reason that even became an issue is because Mike was so angry about it, but it wasn't Randall he was angry with. It was Johnny. Mike knew exactly who'd orchestrated that. I doubt he even noticed who was holding the stuffed animals, after having all that other stuff dumped on him. Consider this, though, if Randall had been 100% comfortable doing what he did, WHY did he turn "invisible" right up until the last second? Why didn't he want anyone to SEE him? The other ROR's couldn't turn invisible, and even if they could, they WANTED the OK's to know THEIR roles! Randall related to Mike because he knew that Mike was a social outcast, like himself, someone who'd been put down and shunned all his life. Randall wanted the same for Mike that he wanted for himself: to make friends, to find a peer group(the "cool kids")that would accept them, offer them social acceptability and a sense of belonging. Randall figured Mike would want this as much as he did, but he was mistaken. That meant little or nothing to Mike. When you see that scene where they first meet, you can see that at first, Randall just stands there and stares. That's because he's taking stock of his new roommate, assessing the threat level. You can palpably sense Randall's relief to see that his new roommate is not some big, burly jock who will probably make his life a living hell, but a little nerdy guy like himself! Another scene to really watch is in the classroom, following that confrontation between Mike and Sulley, as Randall "blends". Watch his face closely, and you will see, just before he becomes invisible, him close his eyes and a look of such anguish and sadness come across his features. I really think that this was that epiphany, when Randall knew that he'd have to drop his efforts to win over Mike's friendship, that Mike was going to do whatever Mike wanted to do, Randall's advice be damned, and that really associating with Mike beyond just being a roommate could even put Randall's own status in the Scare Program at risk, and get HIM kicked out as well. Whoever was paying Randall's tuition, whether it was some family member or a scholarship(ESPECIALLY if he was going on a scholarship, since that would specifically be earmarked for a particular major), would not be happy if Randall threw that away just to be friends with someone who wanted nothing to do with him. He had to make that painful decision that it was time to give up, accept that Mike would never be his "best chum", and move on, but I do still think it hurt him, and continued to hurt him, every time he saw that rich kid, Sullivan, now as Mike's best chum. pitbulllady You're right. Maybe I didn't phrase it very well. I just meant that Randall was, for the most part, pretty much the LAST person in the school to consider doing anything negative to Mike for any reason.
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Post by pitvipersnake on Sept 24, 2013 14:53:45 GMT -5
That's true. Randall wanted to be a friend to Mike and Mike just ignored him or used him. Randall put up with it because he thought he couldn't do any better or because (as he probably hadn't had many friends in the past) he didn't realise that wasn't how friends were meant to be. If Randall hadn't joined ROR and mike hadn't made friends with Sulley Mike would probably have kept on using Randall in the same way he used Sulley, to eventually end up as assistant to the top Scarer (which would have been Randall if Mike hadn't put Sulley through that intensive training regime). I'm unsure about Johnny only inviting Randall to join ROR to get at Mike, but then again I don't really understand how fraternities work (British universities don't have them). For anyone to be able to get into a fraternity, they have to join during what's known as "Rush Week", which is near the beginning of the Fall semester, usually in early September once everyone has had a chance to "settle in". That was a Rush party that Randall attended, with the cupcakes. That's when the various fraternities and sororities put on a show and try to attract new members, when people have a chance to check each organization out and decide which, if any, they are going to pledge. Once Rush Week ends, you usually cannot pledge a fraternity or sorority except by special invitation, either by one of the frat's leaders or with the approval of its leaders. At the time of the final exams, when Mike and Sulley got kicked out of the Scare Program, it would have been December, which is at the end of the First(Fall)Semester, right before the entire university goes on Christmas/Winter Break, which usually lasts about 3 weeks, sometimes a full month. Clearly Randall was NOT in a fraternity at that time, nor was he on some "waiting list" to get into ROR as someone had suggested, otherwise I'm sure we would have known about it. MIKE would have known about it, since they were still roommates, and he would not have even bothered asking Randall to join his team at the Scare Games sign-ups in January. He would have already known that Randall was on a team, tentatively, at least. ROR needed a sixth team member; that's true. After all, they'd had to drop Sulley because he could not meet two of the fraternity's main requirements: be a Scare Major AND maintain a high GPA, and those two requirements would not have been something Johnny came up with, either. He himself would have had to meet those same requirements, chapter president or not. Randall met those requirements, BUT, ROR also had an image to uphold and maintain that probably wasn't in their rule book, one of those "unwritten rules". ROR wanted members who came from distinguished families, from families with money and reputations as Scarers, members who projected an air of confidence and "don't *&^% with us" attitude, and Randall certainly did NOT fit any of those! Other than the grades and being a Scare Major, Randall didn't fit ROR's image AT ALL, and surely out of all the Scare Majors on campus, who had good grades and were not pledged to a fraternity, ROR could have found someone to join their ranks, to provide them with that sixth team member, who fit their image much better than Randall did. Knowing that, and knowing that this late in the year the only way for him to have gotten into ANY fraternity would have been upon special invitation and approval, it makes me believe that there was another motive for asking HIM, out of all the qualified candidates on campus, besides just filling that sixth spot. Johnny is all about winning and image, and already Mike had made a fool of Sulley, who was in ROR at the time, by consistently getting better grades, and in shaming a ROR member, he'd shamed the whole fraternity, and most of all, he'd showed up Johnny. Johnny could no longer simply dismiss Mike, and if Mike could make him feel like he'd been bested, who knows who else might get the notion that they could talk smack to Johnny Worthington III and get away with it? He needed to put Mike in his place, and make him an example of what would happen to anyone who thought they were better than ROR, better than Johnny. He couldn't do something as crass as physical retribution or vandalizing Mike's property, things that would get him kicked out of the university and possibly result in ROR losing their charter at that campus, so he had to be subtle about it. If you pay attention, as Mike and Randall are going up the stairs to the class on that final exam day, and Randall is once more quizzing Mike(quite happily and cheerfully, glad to help out), you'll notice that Johnny is actually following them, having separated for a moment from the rest of his posse, and is watching them intently. You can almost see those "gears" turning in that broad head of his as he takes this exchange in and formulates a plan. I'm pretty sure that even before class had started, Johnny was considering how he could use Randall to make his point to Mike, and when he had to drop Sulley, he would have gotten his answer right there: invite Randall into ROR to replace Sulley, convince Randall that ROR was his friends, that Mike wasn't, that he had to swear loyalty to them and ONLY them, and he'd be "cool" and acceptable now, no longer a nerdy outcast and a "joke", but someone that everyone would take seriously from now on. For someone like Randall, that's like a dream come true, the answer to his biggest problem right there. pitbulllady
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Post by pitvipersnake on Sept 24, 2013 14:56:50 GMT -5
Thank you for explaining that. I see now why you think Johnny only asked Randall to join ROR to get at Mike. It does rather look like that. (Sorry this came up in two posts I haven't really got the hang of this yet.)
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 24, 2013 15:30:55 GMT -5
Thank you for explaining that. I see now why you think Johnny only asked Randall to join ROR to get at Mike. It does rather look like that. (Sorry this came up in two posts I haven't really got the hang of this yet.) That fact that Johnny gets so angry with Randall for losing his Scare competition, something which was NOT Randall's fault at all, not due to Randall being careless or screwing up, but does NOT get angry with Reggie for losing to Don, says a lot about why they'd let Randall in. Think of it this way: Randall was just a freshman, yet he performed admirably throughout the Scare Games, helping his team to advance to the final competition without a hitch. That is really amazing considering that he'd never competed, probably in ANYTHING, before in his life! Had they really thought that he was "ROR material" and really valued him as a frat brother and a teammate, that should have overshadowed that one event's results. Reggie, on the other hand, was NOT a freshman. HE had competed before in the Scare Games and knew what to expect, but Reggie also lost his Scare competition, and not because of anything that his competitor, Don, did either. Reggie just flat-out f'ed up! He lost due to his outright carelessness and clumsiness, but no one in ROR yells at HIM or even appears angry with him, only with Randall! Reggie's score bar was actually much lower than Randall's, too. It makes no sense to blame Randall for what Sulley obviously did, and since both Scare Simulator booths were shown on the big closed-circuit tv's, Johnny and the other guys in ROR would have seen that Sulley stomping on the floor resulted in Randall's loss. Unless that competition was "anything goes", like in the library competition where teams could do anything as long as they didn't get caught by the librarian, ROR should have called a "time out" and challenged that. None of the other OK guys did anything to cause their competitors to fail, and even if Sulley didn't do that deliberately, it should have counted against HIM, not Randall. If that competition had been "anything goes", though, then it should not have mattered that Sulley intentionally cheated to help Mike win. I honestly think that Johnny was planning to find some way to dismiss Randall from ROR regardless, once Randall had served his purpose. That one loss just provided him with a good excuse. I know that some people have said that Randall did NOT get kicked out of ROR, and they claim to have seen him, in his jacket, standing on the sidelines as the OK's celebrate, but even if he did stay in, I doubt his stay was pleasant. pitbulllady
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Post by Antanas on Sept 26, 2013 21:20:31 GMT -5
I definitely don't recall seeing that...has anyone actually offered any photographic evidence of this?
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Post by Antanas on Sept 26, 2013 21:23:00 GMT -5
Whoops, messed that post up.
"and they claim to have seen him, in his jacket, standing on the sidelines as the OK's celebrate"
I definitely don't recall seeing that...has anyone actually offered any photographic evidence of this?
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Post by pitbulllady on Sept 26, 2013 21:51:39 GMT -5
Whoops, messed that post up. "and they claim to have seen him, in his jacket, standing on the sidelines as the OK's celebrate" I definitely don't recall seeing that...has anyone actually offered any photographic evidence of this? I sure haven't seen any photographic evidence, and I've seen the movie four times already! I did not see Randall at all after he said that line about this being the last time he'd lose to Sullivan, ROR jacket or no ROR jacket, but one member here and another person on Tumblr(yeah...take that for what it's worth)claimed that you can see him standing on the sidelines wearing that jacket as the OK's are celebrating. I guess once I get the DVD and can watch it in great detail, and pause it, which I can't do with a movie in a theater, I can find out for sure, plus there might be additional stuff on the DVD that's not in the movie. Too bad that we won't get to see Party Central, the MU short that is supposed to be shown before The Good Dinosaur, until 2015, since that would surely answer that question as to whether Randall remained in ROR following the Scare Games, since it takes place sometimes between the games and senior graduation. Everything I've seen so far, though, including the fact that Randall was not wearing his jacket in that final competition, and we'd earlier seen Johnny hold Sulley's jacket as "motivation", points to Randall being kicked out. He certainly is not with the other ROR's later on. If he just went off somewhere to sulk and have his own little pity party, even if Johnny hadn't kicked him out already, he surely would have kicked him out for that, since that most definitely would not have been "ROR material". pitbulllady
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CrazyDiamond
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Post by CrazyDiamond on Sept 27, 2013 3:27:01 GMT -5
I remember seeing him with RORs after his "last time" line, but only in one of the aerial shots of the whole stadium so he appeared reeeeaaly tiny. Also, I don't recall him wearing the ROR jacket. Then again, all that I could see (and I'd seen it on the biggest cinema screen in my country) was a purple/pink smudge, so I won't be sure until I see it on bluray again...
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