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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 1, 2005 14:20:13 GMT -5
Of course Randall would focus on survival, but for some reason it's his anger towards Sullivan that fuels his need to go on. You have to have something to aim toward, and Randall's is his revenge. Not a good goal....but one that he can't forget.... Let me remind you Cool. Not only did Sullivan and Wazowski ruin his life, and still ARE, but they also took away something from him.... His chance to find his family...... And that is something Randall never would forgive... You know, Sean, I think you might have really hit on something with that last statement. Finding his family, or at least PART of it, would have been motivation for Randall to accept the task of building the Scream Extractor. Think about it-to find a lost family member takes a LOT of time and money, and almost always involves having to hire a private detective, unless you have lots of free time on your hands to travel and do research. Private Eyes aren't cheap, either, and the longer it takes to find someone, and the more work they have to do to search for clues, the more money they charge, since they usually charge by the day or hour, even. If Randall had hired a private detective to locate a lost relative, say, his sister, for example, he would have incurred a really large dept pretty fast. He would have been in an urgent situation, with needing money to pay off the existing dept and continue the search, so when Waternoose approached with his proposal of building that machine, with the offer of a high-paying exec position in the company(which we all know he had no intention of delivering), this would have seemed like the answer to all of Randall's dreams. Not only would he make the needed money with his new position, but he would also stop Sulley from breaking Fangs McDonald's Scare Record, AND(or so he thought)gain some respect and much-needed self-esteem. It would have just seemed so easy at the time. If only he had known.... pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 1, 2005 14:23:23 GMT -5
Well Pitbulllady. Me and Ran said that before remember? WE set the basis for that.
Of course, on Randall's current paycheck at the time of the movie.... He would only be able to START the find WHEN he got his first Excecutive paycheck(IF he had gotten that position).
Because if Randall HAD started before, he wouldn't have been so moody.
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Post by Light Rises on Mar 1, 2005 15:19:22 GMT -5
You know, Sean, I think you might have really hit on something with that last statement. Finding his family, or at least PART of it, would have been motivation for Randall to accept the task of building the Scream Extractor. Think about it-to find a lost family member takes a LOT of time and money, and almost always involves having to hire a private detective, unless you have lots of free time on your hands to travel and do research. Private Eyes aren't cheap, either, and the longer it takes to find someone, and the more work they have to do to search for clues, the more money they charge, since they usually charge by the day or hour, even. If Randall had hired a private detective to locate a lost relative, say, his sister, for example, he would have incurred a really large dept pretty fast. He would have been in an urgent situation, with needing money to pay off the existing dept and continue the search, so when Waternoose approached with his proposal of building that machine, with the offer of a high-paying exec position in the company(which we all know he had no intention of delivering), this would have seemed like the answer to all of Randall's dreams. Not only would he make the needed money with his new position, but he would also stop Sulley from breaking Fangs McDonald's Scare Record, AND(or so he thought)gain some respect and much-needed self-esteem. It would have just seemed so easy at the time. If only he had known.... *nods* That's a definite possibility -- one I haven't considered all that much, but the logic behind it is so solid that I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes canon someday. Randall's need to find a lost family member would certainly further explain the sense of desperation we see from him during the movie. As for the forgiveness issue...I do have to agree with you, Sean and LG/Cool, on how difficult it would be for Randall to forgive Sulley and Mike, if he'd want to at all. Forgiving someone is one of THE single most difficult things to do, particularly if that someone hurt a person you love or deeply hurt you personally. Forgiving people like that (read="Fur Rug and Eyeball") would be EXTREMELY hard for Randall (to perhaps put it mildly), having in part to do with -- as you mentioned, Sean -- the fact that Randall comes across as a pretty stubborn guy (I have LOTS of people like that in my family, so from observation, I'm pretty sure Randall's that way too, lol). That said, I'd still like to think that Randall would someday find it in himself, once he's done some more growing up, to forgive Sulley and Mike -- sorta like that "I'm okay, you're okay" understanding between them that Pitbulllady mentioned when we were discussing Beboots' "Randall Guardian Angel" fic on the original board. Of course, the possibility is strong that Randall will never forgive them, even if revenge was never the be-all and end-all of Randall's existence after his exile, and rather something that was at the back of his mind, as LG suggested. Nonetheless...well, I guess I've just seen so many instances where people who were wronged hurt themselves more by not forgiving than those who wronged them, that I want to see Randall get past that at some point. Again, though, that's just my humble opinion, and I really appreciate your guys' honesty on the subject. *hugs all around* In regards to Avis' comment: No problemo, m'dear. *presents her with a pair of gloves*;D ~Light Rises
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 1, 2005 15:48:31 GMT -5
Possibility???
Anyway.....
Yes. It would be hard for Randall to forgive. Then again, IF Sullivan has guilt in him, and IF Randall had seen some sort of remorseful feeling (perhaps, since it's been at least a year since his return, Sullivan maybe made a grave for Randall in a cementary or something) well....
Maybe Randall will never forgive Sullivan.... But then again.....maybe he won't think of revenge......maybe guilt will be enough....
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Post by Mirage on Mar 1, 2005 15:51:02 GMT -5
Randall's like me in that we do ~not~ forgive easily. *nods* Mm hmm, yup.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 1, 2005 18:30:44 GMT -5
*nods* That's a definite possibility -- one I haven't considered all that much, but the logic behind it is so solid that I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes canon someday. Randall's need to find a lost family member would certainly further explain the sense of desperation we see from him during the movie. As for the forgiveness issue...I do have to agree with you, Sean and LG/Cool, on how difficult it would be for Randall to forgive Sulley and Mike, if he'd want to at all. Forgiving someone is one of THE single most difficult things to do, particularly if that someone hurt a person you love or deeply hurt you personally. Forgiving people like that (read="Fur Rug and Eyeball") would be EXTREMELY hard for Randall (to perhaps put it mildly), having in part to do with -- as you mentioned, Sean -- the fact that Randall comes across as a pretty stubborn guy (I have LOTS of people like that in my family, so from observation, I'm pretty sure Randall's that way too, lol). That said, I'd still like to think that Randall would someday find it in himself, once he's done some more growing up, to forgive Sulley and Mike -- sorta like that "I'm okay, you're okay" understanding between them that Pitbulllady mentioned when we were discussing Beboots' "Randall Guardian Angel" fic on the original board. Of course, the possibility is strong that Randall will never forgive them, even if revenge was never the be-all and end-all of Randall's existence after his exile, and rather something that was at the back of his mind, as LG suggested. Nonetheless...well, I guess I've just seen so many instances where people who were wronged hurt themselves more by not forgiving than those who wronged them, that I want to see Randall get past that at some point. Again, though, that's just my humble opinion, and I really appreciate your guys' honesty on the subject. *hugs all around* In regards to Avis' comment: No problemo, m'dear. *presents her with a pair of gloves*;D ~Light Rises Very well-said, Light Rises! I myself, being the stubborn sort(seems to go with being a red-head of Celtic decent), have had problems forgiving people who have wronged me, and still do, but not the extent I once did. I can discuss it with other people, and it helps take the "sting" out of the whole situation. Now, rather than "stew" in my anger and resentment, which did nothing but bring ME more pain, I have found it useful to release some of my own anger by talking to others who are experiencing the same things. In doing so, I feel better myself, and hopefully help the other person come to a better conclusion than "getting even". We all know revenge does not work. I would hope that eventually Randall, and yes, Sulley as well, will figure this out. They will likely never be friends, but at least they will come to terms with each other and move on. Carrying all that anger and hate inside really does hurt you physically and emotionally, more than it hurts the one you're angry with, in most cases. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 1, 2005 18:53:00 GMT -5
I still go with what I said. Randall probably won't forgive Sully, but he probably won't take revenge.
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Post by Mirage on Mar 1, 2005 20:56:46 GMT -5
*chuckles* Yes...we Celtic red-heads do have trouble bestowing forgiveness on people, don't we... ;D
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 1, 2005 21:30:11 GMT -5
*chuckles* Yes...we Celtic red-heads do have trouble bestowing forgiveness on people, don't we... ;D LOL! Sure do...some of us(I won't call any names....)have even been known to carry a grudge for 15 years! pitbulllady
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Post by Mirage on Mar 1, 2005 21:36:51 GMT -5
Wow, that's quite a long time. I wonder who that could be... ;D
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 2, 2005 11:26:42 GMT -5
I only hold a grudge if holding a grudge is really worth holding a grudge. ;D I find it a lot harder to hold a grudge against someone that, beforehand, I got on with, but in Randall's case...well, there isn't much love lost between him and Mike and Sulley now, is there?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 2, 2005 15:56:08 GMT -5
Exactly! Finally agreeance...
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Post by Mirage on Mar 2, 2005 15:58:11 GMT -5
Yup.
But I personally can hold a grudge easily against anyone. Even my best friends.
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 4, 2005 11:26:03 GMT -5
God, it's impossible for me to get in a stress, which is doubly annoying when a REALLY annoying girl keeps following you around and asking you to play Blackjack even if you don't know how and talking about the most pointless things on earth. ;D
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 4, 2005 15:11:59 GMT -5
Oh god.....oh.... I watched a movie called BlackJack yesterday! ^_^
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