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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 25, 2005 11:37:17 GMT -5
Finally someone who agrees...
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Post by Light Rises on Feb 25, 2005 16:09:44 GMT -5
Hmm...*ponders a moment*
Y'know, it's interesting, because I think that different people react differently to certain personality types, which I guess might partly explain why I don't hate Sulley or Mike (and it's all right if some of you guys do; I'm not out to force my ideas on anyone, and I deeply respect your opinions as loyal Randall fans). A prime example of this outside of M.I. would be that while most people hate Jar Jar Binks from the Star Wars prequels with a passion, I know a few people who actually DO like him (my mom, for example). She didn't find Jar Jar annoying, maybe in sort of the same way that neither Sulley nor Mike annoy me. That doesn't make either me or the people who are annoyed by them wrong -- we just react to them differently, that's all.
I guess the BIGGER reason for my not hating Mike and Sulley is, well...it's best said through something my mom once told me, which I've since tried to take to heart: "Hate the sin, never the sinner," because we're all imperfect. I'm not saying that that's easy, because there are always going to be people who rub us the wrong way and/or just seem so out of line with our own beliefs that we seem to can't help but hate them. That being said -- and this is just my take on this, so you can take it or leave it -- I just don't like to think of almost anyone as a "hopeless case" when it comes to his/her ability to change for the better. Does Mike need a personality adjustment? Absolutely -- that boy needs a HUGE reality check on how much his attitude can and has hurt others, and pronto. *snaps fingers* There's certainly the possibility that he'll NEVER change, even if he's ever to truly hit "rock bottom" and see the writing on the wall as to how much it's his fault, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of his changing, either, slim though it may be. I know from experience that people can surprise you sometimes, and I believe that the capability of doing good as well as the capability of doing evil lies within all of us.
Perhaps I'm just an eternal idealist, as much as I like to see the good in people. But that's me, I guess. *bows respectfully*
~Light Rises
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 25, 2005 18:01:24 GMT -5
That's me, too, LR! I used to believe that people were either good or evil, all black and white-no gray. Now, I know that every single one of us is capable of doing things of both natures. "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is a very good creed to live by. That is why I don't find RANDALL evil, while so many do, and the same now applies to Buddy as well. If HE was totally evil, why didn't he hurt Jack-Jack? He clearly loved Mirage, too, and I don't just mean that in the physical sense. Randall never hurt Boo, even though he'd been ORDERED to do so. I don't hate Mike or Sulley, and I could probably get along with Sulley(though I'd lay one heckuva guilt trip on him). Mike, on the other hand, I probably couldn't put up with, regardless of whether or not I knew his role in what happened to Randall. Mike is just one of those rare personalities that I clash with, badly. I'd be civil, as long as HE was, but knowing him, he's make some snide, smart-@$$ comment about me, and I'd have to get in his one-eyed face. I've met a few humans like this, and it is to both out mutual best interests that we do not spend too much time in the same general area.
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 25, 2005 18:08:26 GMT -5
Good philosphy Light Rises.
Still....from the beginning I knew Light and Dark and the Twilight between..... I have a strong sense of right and wrong and decisions made by a person.
I guess the fact I hate Sullivan and Wazowski like Ran is the fact that they COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS ALL BEFORE IT BEGAN.
Hear me out. How could Sullivan beat Randall? The one who trained him and got him the job in Monsters Inc.? How? And so quickly?
Sullivan HAD to have known this. So when he became Top Scarer, did he or Wazowsk (of course the eyeball couldn't care less if anything was suspecious) suspect something was wrong? Did they suspect that something had helped them along?
No. If they had, they could have told Waternoose, who would immediatly discard such a thing as just saying it was Sullivan's talent as a scarer.
But in the end Sullivan decided to play the card as Top Scarer, needlessly caring squat about how it had affect his Trainer.
I guess it's the overall decisions they make.....
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Post by AvistheCrow on Feb 25, 2005 19:51:09 GMT -5
Thank you, LR, for nailing my personal opinions directly on the head so I don't have to type them all out. *blows breath on cold fingers; bows thankfully*
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Post by slorglover on Feb 26, 2005 8:36:29 GMT -5
hmmmm....i can't really comment because i haven't seen the film in a long time.. so i'll just nod...*nods alot*
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 26, 2005 11:31:28 GMT -5
I don't think Sulley would have paid much thought to the fact that he A)was close friends with the CEO, and B)became Top Scarer at a record-fast pace. He just doesn't reason too well along lines like that. He's good for maybe, one or two big leaps of logic a year, and he met THAT quota when he came up with the Laughterr=Energy idea, LOL! MIKE probably DID notice, but do you think HE would say anything? I can't imagine Mike saying, "Uh, gees, Sul, ya know...you've become Top Scarer awfully quick, Big Guy...from starting out as a janitor and all, even beatin' out Lizard-Boy over there, ya don't suppose bein' pals with the company's CEO has anything to do with that, do ya?" Naw, ain't gonna happen. Besides, even if Sulley DID figure out that something was up with the Scare Boards, that wouldn't have changed the fact that Waternoose still would have made Randall build the S.E. for him, and while Randall might NOT have been as strongly motivated by the urge to stop Sulley from breaking the All-Time Scream Record, he still would have been under tremendous pressure.
pitbulllady
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Post by slorglover on Feb 26, 2005 14:24:28 GMT -5
Mike probably wasn't clever enough to figure that out anyway
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 26, 2005 16:01:15 GMT -5
Randall was better than Sullivan. Randall knew that, Wazowski just brushed it off, and Sullivan just thought sore about it.
But IF Sullivan had said something, there would have been at least SOME change. Randall might not have been as rough toward the two in some of the situations since Sullivan would have openly admitted that something was wrong.
Sullivan COULD have said something, but the fact he didn't is up for debate....
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 1, 2005 11:32:31 GMT -5
Well, I still hate Mike. I can't help it- if someone hurts someone you really care about, you find forgiveness really hard, and, to be completely honest, I don't see myself forgiving Mike any time in the future, and I'm sure that Randall shares these thoughts.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 1, 2005 11:41:43 GMT -5
As a matter a fact he does Cool.
Randall knows wrongs had been done to him. Coupled with the fact of his hard life and he had to work to get through it. But here's Sullivan getting help from the big man Waternoose throughout the whole thing!
Randall knows forgiving Sullivan for what he did will NEVER be easy. I just can't see them just saying forgive and forget and be done with it. It just doesn't work that way.
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 1, 2005 12:31:26 GMT -5
Yeah, if only it did. But yeah, if I was Randall, I guess I'd try to forgive...But would I want to?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 1, 2005 12:41:05 GMT -5
That's a real question there. Randall's stubbern ^_^.
And with a hard life he's had to live and suddenly being tossed out like nothing by the one who cheated him out of everything......
Forgiveness doesn't seem to be on his mind.
Randall WANTS revenge against Sullivan, but then there's this feeling that he doesn't want to hurt anyone. He's having a struggle in himself that he has no time for forgiveness...
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 1, 2005 12:59:23 GMT -5
The thing is, I always imagined Randall not wanting to forgive, of course, but after being exiled and having to struggle for survival, I always imagined revenge being at the back of his mind rather than something that he was really focused on. ;D
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 1, 2005 13:15:53 GMT -5
Of course Randall would focus on survival, but for some reason it's his anger towards Sullivan that fuels his need to go on. You have to have something to aim toward, and Randall's is his revenge. Not a good goal....but one that he can't forget....
Let me remind you Cool. Not only did Sullivan and Wazowski ruin his life, and still ARE, but they also took away something from him....
His chance to find his family...... And that is something Randall never would forgive...
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