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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 26, 2005 11:28:47 GMT -5
Yes Tailmisiter, I think that too....
Regardless. Sullivan did NOTHING AT ALL. Did you see ANYONE else worried about Randall?
Fungus for example. One year later and he is HAPPY Randall's gone. Now Wazowski....pfft.....nevermind him... Celia? Yeah right....thought she of all people would be at least slightly worried.
NO ONE.
And get this.......
Randall's parents, IF he had any....or...any alive, didn't show up. Do you think with their boy gone....they would want to know why?
..................Nobody comment on the above few sentences.....hurts too much....
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 26, 2005 11:37:55 GMT -5
Yeah, it was, but unless he truly IS evil, Sullivan MUST'VE felt some sort of guilt, because when you think of an idea, at first it seems like the right thing to do, but once you've done it and you start to think about it, you begin to question your own instincts. Boo was probably what Sullivan was thinking about most of the time, but if all of that had been sorted out and everything else in his life was good, I think that he would be thinking about Randall more than anything. Like you said, Sullivan would have to be completely evil, without a conscience to speak of, to be able to do something like that and NOT feel any regret about it! As the old saying goes, "hindsight is always 20/20"; what seems like a good idea at the time is often looked back upon as a bad mistake. Sometimes it takes years, and maturity, sometimes the regret comes sooner, but if someone can send someone else to their possible death, and not feel ANY remorse, that person is the epitome of evil, no matter what they might show on the surface. The most evil and dangerous people are those who SEEM to be friendly and warm on the outside, but hide vile secrets. Look at most of the serial killers; when they are finally caught, their neighbors and friends are inevitably shocked, having known this person as such a nice, wholesome individual, having no idea that such a sweet person could ever do something like that! That's because these are the rare individuals who feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever, so they don't give away any clues that they have done anything wrong. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 26, 2005 11:46:06 GMT -5
He's guilty....sure...
But does he care? What has he done? Has he turned himself in? No...no...not that... Has he willingly asked the C.D.A. to take him in, asking them to NOT overlook what he had done? No. Does he supply his own money for someone to look for him or any kin? NO!
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Post by tailmister on Mar 26, 2005 16:19:50 GMT -5
Well... I never thought of Sullivan being evil at all, and...
... Geez, I hope Pixar is reading some of this.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 26, 2005 16:23:37 GMT -5
Everyone has evil within them.... Even good people....
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 29, 2005 6:42:50 GMT -5
I don't think Sullivan is evil. Stupid, sure, but not evil. He sorted things out the way he and Mike thought best, and only afterwards would they actually realise the extent of what they had done. I do think, though, that Mike wouldn't feel anywhere NEAR as much regret as Sullivan, since he'll have drilled the idea in his mind that because Sullivan was the one who physically threw Randall through the door, he himself (Mike) shouldn't take any responsibilty for his friend's actions.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 29, 2005 15:10:44 GMT -5
Just hope the two don't find themselves in MY courtroom.....
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Post by Beboots on Mar 29, 2005 23:14:27 GMT -5
Fungus for example. One year later and he is HAPPY Randall's gone. I think that's arather unfair comment. We only saw a brief snapshot of Fungus. As you said, it is one year later; can you really expect someone to look miserable for a whole year, or even longer, after the fact? Fungus may not have been all that close to Randall (certainly not as close as Sullivan and Wazowski were/are), and even if he was, I seriously doubt that he would mope for a whole year. He's moved on, you know? ...And while I'm on this one "its-been-one-year-moving-on" subject, what's with Sullivan? I mean, he knew Boo for what, two days? Sure, he grew fond of her, but why is he still moping about her?
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 30, 2005 7:21:35 GMT -5
Because he's an idiot? ;D
No, seriously, I think that, well, he probably has an otherwise perfect life, so if you have a perfect life, you're always going to concentrate on the faults because they become more significant, and Sullivan seemed to be happy apart from the fact that he couldn't see Boo. I think they made a real connection, and Sulley felt like a father- if, in that year, he had married and had a child, he probably wouldn't be moping as much.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 30, 2005 11:02:31 GMT -5
I still thing there's more to it than just Sullivan moping over Boo. I'm sorry, but I don't see how anyone can become so obsessed with ANYBODY else after only knowing them for two days, that they are still "down" about it a whole year later, unless they have some pretty serious mental/emotional issues, anyway. Sulley most likely was under a lot of pressure from his job, that he was not prepared to deal with, regardless of the success the company was enjoying at the moment. Success like that at a corporate level always comes with a price, and does NOT automatically equal happiness. PLUS, if Sulley had any conscience to speak of, he would be concerned about what happened to Randall, as a result of HIS actions. Maybe something had come up recently that reminded him, like one of Randall's creditors calling to inquire about him so they could collect their money or something.
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Mar 30, 2005 14:16:45 GMT -5
PLUS, if Sulley had any conscience to speak of, he would be concerned about what happened to Randall, as a result of HIS actions. Maybe something had come up recently that reminded him, like one of Randall's creditors calling to inquire about him so they could collect their money or something. pitbulllady I agree completely with that. I think Buzz Lightyear had a brilliant moment in the episode "Tag Team" in defining what a REAL villian is. I haven't really heard a better (or more accurate) clarification from any character than this. . . "Let me tell you something. There's one thing we have that they [villians] don't: a conscience." - Buzz Proving - right from the mouths of Disney (or the creators of BLofSC) - that Randall is indeed NOT a villian. He obviously has a conscience and is willing to listen to it. Sulley, on the other hand, as pitbulllady described should have felt some pang of guilt or concern at what he did at some point in time.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 30, 2005 16:30:06 GMT -5
People..... I'm starting to feel a slight sympathy for Sullivan...
That poor little monster....he has NO idea what he got himself into.... First it was Randall....but Sullivan also....brought himself into a dangerous situation. HAHAHAHA! Mope for him....for....he ruined Scare Co.'s plans.....
Then again....
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Post by lizardgirl on Mar 31, 2005 5:46:38 GMT -5
I'm sure that even after seeing Boo again (the last thing we see in the movie) and even arranging to see her on a daily basis, that Sullivan would still feel a bit guilty about Randall. It wouldn't surprise me if seeing Boo actually made him think about Randall even MORE, actually. ;D
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 31, 2005 12:06:26 GMT -5
Perhaps.....
What I want to see is him visiting Boo and seeing Randall sitting there at the end of the bed looking at her. After a moment, he turns to look back with his heavily battered body....
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Post by I ♥ umbrellas on Mar 31, 2005 14:53:02 GMT -5
hmmmm.... as to a few comments earlier in the conversation i don't think sullivan was quite evil, i mean when they were making the film pixar would have wanted him to be a hero, someone that the audience would admire, therefore if he were evil how would they warm to him as a character?
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