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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 21, 2005 21:40:43 GMT -5
I don't think that Randall's apparent hostility was so much directed at Sullivan per se, but for what he REPRESENTED. Sulley had everything Randall didn't-a loving, caring family, a position of favoritism with the company's CEO, his success basically handed to him on a silver platter, while Randall had no family, no close friends(at least not after he became involved with the Scream Extractor Project,which would have taken away any time he had to spend with said friends), certainly no close friends in positions of power and influence, and had to work like a slave to get anything...only to STILL have it taken away from him. His hostility towards Sulley was more or less a culmination of anger towards life in general, what behaviorists would call "displaced aggression". When everything in your life is going haywire, you will eventually have to either let out that anger on someone or something, or it will be turned inward, and sometimes both things will happen. Randall tried finding an outlet in the form of practical jokes, but Mike used this as an opportunity to humiliate him, setting the stage for the anger he displays later. IF that had not happened, and IF Randall had not left the locker room in a state of animosity and humiliation, I would bet that his reception to Sulley's offer of a handshake would have been different. Maybe not "best-of-friends" different, but certainly not what it ended up being. Later, when Randall is talking to the pair in the hallway about whether or not they've seen anything regarding "the kid", he is actually quite civil and polite to Sulley, but yells at Mike to "can it" when Mike starts his "singing"(can't say I blame Randall one bit, either-two more seconds of that dirge and *I* woulda been screaming, too). Randall's real hostility towards Sulley only comes into play once he sees Sulley with "the kid", and she is dressed in a purple, scaly costume with large eyes. No doubt Randall figured that Sulley was A)going to turn in the kid to use her as evidence against Randall, and B)had deliberately dressed her like that to rub it in Randall's face, since he, too, was purple and scaly. THAT is the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back", so to speak. Randall himself is no more "competitive" than Mike is, by the way, yet I NEVER see anyone mention that about the One-Eyed Wonder.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 21, 2005 23:27:26 GMT -5
Exactly. Actually....Sullivan ran into Randall, so it was pretty good that Randall contolled his anger, which he can do at times, when talking to them. As seen, he's less resented at Sullivan when on equal ground than Wazowski...
"Let me take this....boy Pitbulllady....you do have me on a key note there...personally....I...actually have to admit I had had a...well...not "good" but...."ok" relationship with the two when I was Top Scarer....I wasn't as much startled by Sullivan getting it the first time....well....then again I was surprised at how quick he was.....but I trained him so it wasn't that much of a shock. It became apparent something was up with the sack of fur when I hardly ever got the points I could on the board....."
We're talking about relationships here Ran...
"Oh right...anyway....well....now I still hate the two....but....I have to see what happens when I talk to them....though....I can bet there are two who'll always hate those two though more than me an"
Lets not go there...
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 22, 2005 10:24:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I can imagine Randall and Sulley starting off as acquaintances, not really minding each other, but once Randall found out that Sulley had everything he didn't, and when Mike started to rub this fact in his face (although Mike wouldn't have known all of the details about Randall's family, etc.) he began to get really sour- he just didn't need this. In his position, it's no wonder he accepted the offer of the SE.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 22, 2005 10:28:56 GMT -5
"Well mainly....I wanted to make the SE because...well....I'd up Sullivan and prove once and for all I was the better of him...not to mention the larger payroll.....for a purpose I assure you....but in any case...like I would ever get anything out of it...."
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 22, 2005 10:42:07 GMT -5
I think that nearing the completion of the SE, Randall had begun to doubt whether or not Waternoose would actually give him the reward for doing all of this work, but Randall refused to believe it because if he did, then what would his purpose in life be any more? He'd end up exiled either way.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 22, 2005 10:59:50 GMT -5
"I was too tired to even think that he would betray me.....word to the wise my friend Cool.....Waternoose actually....well....he did a "sweet fatherly" thing on me....what I mean was, he USED to be so nice to me....how the heck do you think "I" got into M.I......I just thought...even though he was rough on me a few times, he would actually keep his promise....hmph....fat chance now..."
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Post by Keaton the Black Jackal on Jun 22, 2005 19:35:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I can imagine Randall and Sulley starting off as acquaintances, not really minding each other, but once Randall found out that Sulley had everything he didn't, and when Mike started to rub this fact in his face (although Mike wouldn't have known all of the details about Randall's family, etc.) he began to get really sour- he just didn't need this. In his position, it's no wonder he accepted the offer of the SE. Say, we really DO know nothing about Randall's past, to be honest. Probably what's circling about the boards is speculation. But what I assume is that Randall may have had a domineering, overcompetitive, older sibling who was inheritently better than him in everything that Randall did, or tried to do, or even didn't bother doing, and kept rubbing it in his face. And, in the meantime, Randall's parents would devote their attention to this older sibling and shower him/her with praise. Thus Randall would grow up to become rather spiteful and determined, perhaps viewing Sulley and Mike as this sibling, and maybe envying the brotherly relationship Sulley and Mike have. Think about it... it could explain his behavior and personality somewhat... although it could lead to a inferiority complex. I doubt that Randall has that, though. ~Keaton the Black Jackal
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Post by fairlyoddnewyorker on Jun 22, 2005 19:43:25 GMT -5
Yeah, a lot of people say they know what happened with Randall, but no one really knows. They keep basing it on ideas and stuff ... I mean, we don't own Randall (sadly) so we can't control what they want or not want to do with him. Though that may change if me or Sean get a job at Pixar lol
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Post by Keaton the Black Jackal on Jun 22, 2005 19:58:49 GMT -5
Yeah, a lot of people say they know what happened with Randall, but no one really knows. They keep basing it on ideas and stuff ... I mean, we don't own Randall (sadly) so we can't control what they want or not want to do with him. Though that may change if me or Sean get a job at Pixar lol I was planning on sending a letter to Pixar with a few questions about their movies, so maybe I can include a little question about Randall's history. Chances are they'd be vague, and it'd take a long time before they respond (they ARE very busy, after all), but if they do answer my letter it'd be worth it. ~Keaton the Black Jackal
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 22, 2005 23:08:59 GMT -5
"Say, we really DO know nothing about Randall's past, to be honest. Probably what's circling about the boards is speculation. But what I assume is that Randall may have had a domineering, overcompetitive, older sibling who was inheritently better than him in everything that Randall did, or tried to do, or even didn't bother doing, and kept rubbing it in his face. And, in the meantime, Randall's parents would devote their attention to this older sibling and shower him/her with praise. Thus Randall would grow up to become rather spiteful and determined, perhaps viewing Sulley and Mike as this sibling, and maybe envying the brotherly relationship Sulley and Mike have.
Think about it... it could explain his behavior and personality somewhat... although it could lead to a inferiority complex. I doubt that Randall has that, though."
~Keaton the Black Jackal[/quote]
I'm going to go and restate MY position that Randall actually had no living family AT ALL, either than or he was long estranged from them, but it's more likely that they weren't alive, period. Think about it-let's say YOU just up and disappear one day from school, what is YOUR family going to do, hmmm? Even if YOU have an older sibling that your parents dote on all the time, that doesn't mean they don't care about YOU, and that they won't notice you are missing! Quite likely, they will be at your school-with LAWYERS and INVESTIGATORS-24/7, until they find out what happened. IF they find out that you were last seen with two particular individuals connected to the school, I can guarantee those two individuals won't have one second's peace until they reveal what happened! One of 'em CERTAINLY won't become the District Superintendent overnight, with that sort of investigation going on! That's basically what happened to Randall, only in his case, there was no one to notice he'd gone missing. There was no one to demand an investigation, to find out who he was last seen with, or who might have a "beef" with him, or a motive for harming him, as would be the case IF Randall had anyone who cared for him at all. Even if his family lived in another city, they would have soon noticed that he wasn't calling, etc. Therefore, I don't think Randall had a family, none he knew about, anyway. His need to prove himself more than likely came from being told by nearly everyone, by society in general, that he was inferior simply because of WHAT he was-a reptilian monster. Yes, that, too, is speculation, but it's speculation based on cold, hard FACTS. The DVD Extra, "History of the Monster World", tells us that ALL monsters are descended from humans, so surely when those "Mons" came from the Human World, they brought with them some of the prejudices and wive's tales, and that would have included many about scaly creatures being "evil" or "bad". Watch the movie, and find ONE other scaly, reptilian Monster besides Randall, and Celia's "hair" doesn't count. You can't, because there AREN'T any. That indicates that reptilian monsters are a MINORITY, and as such, probably aren't highly thought of in that part of the Monster World, anyway. That alone would go a loooong way towards explaining Randall's attitude. Factor in the lack of a family for emotional support, and you have one unhappy monster. Without a family, he probably was raised by foster parents, who are mainly interested in receiving a welfare check, NOT of the kids they care for, and they probably never wasted an opportunity to tell Randall how worthless he was. Seeing other non-scaly kids get adopted into new homes, while HE got left behind, always, now how would that make someone feel? Randall DEFINATELY has an "inferiorty complex", though like most people(especially males), he tries to hide it and compensate by proving himself a better Scarer. Even Steve Buscemi has been quoted as saying that Randall was "not bad, but very, very insecure", which is basically saying that he has a really bad inferiorty complex, and is constantly worried about someone else appearing as "better" than him. And yeah, he's very envious of the friendship that Mike and Sulley have, as well as the fact that THEY both have families(Sulley's mother calls about the tv spot, and Mike's mother is sitting in the audience at his "play"), while Randall has no one.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 22, 2005 23:10:52 GMT -5
Though that may change if me or Sean get a job at Pixar lol[/quote] I was planning on sending a letter to Pixar with a few questions about their movies, so maybe I can include a little question about Randall's history. Chances are they'd be vague, and it'd take a long time before they respond (they ARE very busy, after all), but if they do answer my letter it'd be worth it. ~Keaton the Black Jackal[/quote] IF they answer at all(they no longer "own" Randall, Disney does), they will likely tell you the same thing that's on the DVD-that he's just mean, that he "was a real jerk in high school", etc. They don't stop and figure that anyone would know any better. pitbulllady
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 23, 2005 10:28:35 GMT -5
I guess we'd only ever find out about Randall's past if there was a sequel that explained it all somehow.
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Post by Keaton the Black Jackal on Jun 23, 2005 11:15:43 GMT -5
I'm going to go and restate MY position that Randall actually had no living family AT ALL, either than or he was long estranged from them, but it's more likely that they weren't alive, period. Think about it-let's say YOU just up and disappear one day from school, what is YOUR family going to do, hmmm? Even if YOU have an older sibling that your parents dote on all the time, that doesn't mean they don't care about YOU, and that they won't notice you are missing! Quite likely, they will be at your school-with LAWYERS and INVESTIGATORS-24/7, until they find out what happened. IF they find out that you were last seen with two particular individuals connected to the school, I can guarantee those two individuals won't have one second's peace until they reveal what happened! One of 'em CERTAINLY won't become the District Superintendent overnight, with that sort of investigation going on! That's basically what happened to Randall, only in his case, there was no one to notice he'd gone missing. There was no one to demand an investigation, to find out who he was last seen with, or who might have a "beef" with him, or a motive for harming him, as would be the case IF Randall had anyone who cared for him at all. Even if his family lived in another city, they would have soon noticed that he wasn't calling, etc. Therefore, I don't think Randall had a family, none he knew about, anyway. His need to prove himself more than likely came from being told by nearly everyone, by society in general, that he was inferior simply because of WHAT he was-a reptilian monster. Yes, that, too, is speculation, but it's speculation based on cold, hard FACTS. The DVD Extra, "History of the Monster World", tells us that ALL monsters are descended from humans, so surely when those "Mons" came from the Human World, they brought with them some of the prejudices and wive's tales, and that would have included many about scaly creatures being "evil" or "bad". Watch the movie, and find ONE other scaly, reptilian Monster besides Randall, and Celia's "hair" doesn't count. You can't, because there AREN'T any. That indicates that reptilian monsters are a MINORITY, and as such, probably aren't highly thought of in that part of the Monster World, anyway. That alone would go a loooong way towards explaining Randall's attitude. Factor in the lack of a family for emotional support, and you have one unhappy monster. Without a family, he probably was raised by foster parents, who are mainly interested in receiving a welfare check, NOT of the kids they care for, and they probably never wasted an opportunity to tell Randall how worthless he was. Seeing other non-scaly kids get adopted into new homes, while HE got left behind, always, now how would that make someone feel? Randall DEFINATELY has an "inferiorty complex", though like most people(especially males), he tries to hide it and compensate by proving himself a better Scarer. Even Steve Buscemi has been quoted as saying that Randall was "not bad, but very, very insecure", which is basically saying that he has a really bad inferiorty complex, and is constantly worried about someone else appearing as "better" than him. And yeah, he's very envious of the friendship that Mike and Sulley have, as well as the fact that THEY both have families(Sulley's mother calls about the tv spot, and Mike's mother is sitting in the audience at his "play"), while Randall has no one. pitbulllady Hrm. I never stopped to think like that before, nor have I ever seen the 'History of the Monster World' bonus on the DVD. And I've never heard that quote from Steve Buscemi before. I sometimes find it a little difficult to imagine some predjudices toward scaley monsters when the Monster World is inhabited by things larger than Sears Tower or smaller than a breadbox. When you live in a world filled with a menagerie of creatures varying in shapes, sizes, and looks, harboring any form of racism toward them seems a little hard to believe. And yeah, now that I think about it, Mike seems to be even more competitive than Randall! While Sulley seems to be sort of the laid-back, easy-going character, Mike is always moving, always trying to stay on top. Sort of hard to believe the two could be friends when they seem to be opposites. I never once thought that the costume for the kid was, uh, modelled after Randall. XD; I'll be darned if it is. Point taken. -That- would be frustrating. I need to look through the bonus features. XP; ~Keaton the Black Jackal
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 23, 2005 11:22:54 GMT -5
Yeah, look at the bonus features- they're very interesting! ;D
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Post by Ranger Parsec on Jun 23, 2005 14:33:57 GMT -5
IF they answer at all(they no longer "own" Randall, Disney does), they will likely tell you the same thing that's on the DVD-that he's just mean, that he "was a real jerk in high school", etc. They don't stop and figure that anyone would know any better. pitbulllady LOL. Exactly. In fact, long ago (just months or so after the movie came out) I sent Pixar an e-mail with tons and tons of signatures as a campaign to bring Randall back. They never, ever replied, though I left contact addresses and such. Heck, I doubt they ever even took it seriously enough to even bother to show it to anyone, though it took me alot of time and effort to get it put together properly (in a serious, business-like manner, as opposed to sounding like some fangirl and her friends begging for her fave character to be put in a sequal). So, just to let you know, I would highly doubt that you'd get any response from them whatsoever. And if you do, like pitbulllady said, they'd just tell you what's already on the DVD without another thought that someone would believe otherwise. Take it from me, when I say it's a waste of time.
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