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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 19, 2005 6:18:45 GMT -5
And if Sullivan stole Randall's spot without a care, he obviously thought that he was a better Scarer, because if he didn't, he wouldn't have stolen it without a care. ;D
And...well, it IS little.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 19, 2005 10:32:16 GMT -5
Sulley's the sort of person who can be easily manipulated. If you tell him something repeatedly, he will start to believe it. The numbers on the Scare Board said he was the Top Scarer, and you can bet that Mike was CONSTANTLY drumming this into his head, almost 24/7, so even if logic tells Sulley that there's no way he can just consistantly beat his own trainer for the top spot, within such a short amount of time, he's got others telling him different. Add to that the fact that most of the monsters didn't care for Randall, due to him being "different", and would therefore also be touting Sulley's "superiority", and it's easy to see how someone like Sulley could start to believe in his own inflated success.
Randall, on the other hand, has probably always been told, for much of his life, that he will never succede at anything, never be worth anything, and never be anybody, in sharp contrast to what Sulley has always heard. Even Mr. Waternoose does this to him. It's very easy to see how he could question his OWN abilities or be shocked at his success, given such circumstances.
If you tell someone something for a long enough period of time, they will begin to believe it, no matter how absurd it really is.
pitbulllady
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 19, 2005 11:55:58 GMT -5
Exactly- Randall would've been such a different person if, throughout his life, he recieved positive comments for everything he did, and he would aspire to be even more.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 19, 2005 12:24:35 GMT -5
Very well.....
KNOW IT ISN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Randall did not question his own abilities. He KNEW he was better than Sullivan. He KNEW something was up, whether Sullivan was oblivous or not. But Randall THOUGHT Sullivan DID know how he was getting ahead of Randall, which promted him to be a bit pushy around him.
Oh....if you meant he was shocked to be Top Scarer when he was, Randall knew he could do it really...
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 19, 2005 14:12:51 GMT -5
But it's undeniable that he was shocked when he became Top Scarer- when you're told all your life you arne't gonna make anything of yourself, as Randall was, then to make it to something as prestigious as Top Scarer obviously shocked him. Don't forget, Sean- Randall, throughout the movie, had a very low self-esteem.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 19, 2005 14:23:47 GMT -5
What do you expect? I live with the guy....
Anyway... But he WAS confident. Remember. During this time, Randall had a job and...amoung other things....a different life than in the movie. He didn't really have much...."stress".... Sure. He was surprised, but not shocked because he was confident that he had the skills. Besides....he got most of his condience from a great source...heh...
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 20, 2005 10:20:27 GMT -5
But we're talking about the bit in the movie when Randall becomes Top Scarer- you can see that he's shocked.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 20, 2005 10:25:37 GMT -5
Yeah, he clearly was shocked when he briefly hit the top of the Scare Board. He literally does NOT know how to act when he succedes at something. His face, while registering pure joy, of the sort a little kid experiences on Christmas morning, also distinctly shows DISBELIEF. You can tell that success is not something Randall is accustomed to dealing with. That scene is also what convinced me that something was NOT as it should be, when seconds later, Sulley "just happens" to stumble into a slumber party....while Mr. Waternoose is standing right there on the Scare Floor. Some "coincidence", huh?
pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 20, 2005 10:35:56 GMT -5
Maybe simply a little. He was surprised that he was able to reclaim his rightful position, but what was surprising is that he was able to do it near the end of this Scream Extractor business. His surprise wasn't toward his ranking. His surprise was toward "finally....things are getting better..."
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Post by Light Rises on Jun 20, 2005 16:06:09 GMT -5
I can definitely see Sulley being easily manipulated by what the overwhelming majority keeps telling him. His outlook on things appears to be fairly "black and white," and I have a feeling he hasn't had a whole lot of -- if any -- experience with deceitful, two-faced behavior. So after a while of almost everyone telling him that he's the best Scarer, and after a while of those numbers on the Scareboard seeming to tell him the same thing, it makes perfect sense for someone like Sulley to start believing those things sincerely, even if he had doubts about them at the very beginning.
Now Randall, to me, seems a bit more complicated in that area. As others have said, he's probably been told throughout his life that he'd never be a "somebody," that he was incapable of becoming even remotely successful. While I also see a determination in him that's been fighting these lies for many years (and I would attribute that to the theory that Randall once had loved ones who'd told him otherwise), there still seems to be a HUGE part of him that's started to believe what everyone else has told him -- that he IS a "loser," a "nobody," a "freak." Case in point: if Randall had possessed better self-esteem, and had had confidence in the fact that being fired by Waternoose and then having a supremely tough time finding a new job -- while awful and utterly unfair -- wasn't necessarily "the end of the road" for him, he probably wouldn't have went along with Waternoose's plans to build the SE in the first place. At the same time, Randall had been presented with a promise to prove himself a success, which was tempting to that part of him which was determined to defy what everyone kept saying about him. And -- interestingly enough -- another thing that might've added fuel to THAT fire was the revelation that Sulley's status as Top Scarer was bogus. As has been suggested, Randall probably figured out that Sulley's success wasn't just pure "beginner's luck," and that it MUST have something to do with the guy's relationship with Mr. CEO himself, who never liked Randall and wasn't afraid to show it. In a way, this might've been the one thing that Randall could point to and definitively say, "THAT I didn't fail in, because that guy's success was FIXED!" I still wonder, though, how often Randall let that logic win out, and how often he lapsed into believing that he really WAS a "loser," because a strong, overall opinion can often override even the clearest of facts and the best of rational thinking.
~Light Rises
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 21, 2005 11:10:51 GMT -5
Even after Randall lost his position, he didn't think of himself as a loser. He merely kept on with his thoughts that he was still the best scarer, and knew he could prove it. "Cheaters never prosper" if you will. He knew, hoped actually, that Sullivan would eventually take a dive in his cheating success, and he did that day....
Hmm....I'm still at a miss with the whole 'Randall knew Waternoose was with Sullivan thing....". Not that I don't agree....
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Post by lizardgirl on Jun 21, 2005 12:34:56 GMT -5
I agree with Light Rises- sometimes opinion CAN overcome logic, so it makes sense for Randall to be pretty disbelieving when he hit the top, and to also think that he was not as good a Scarer as Sullivan when he snatched the top place from him a few moments later.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 21, 2005 12:37:48 GMT -5
"Well....I was a little surprised, but I always knew I was a better scarer....I was trained by the best there is afterall....but I DID know I was ALWAYS better than Sullivan....ALWAYS.....that little tub of fur always got his way through cheating or something just because of his "good life", but I was always better....besides....I would always be the better scarer....I always....had to be.....I had a promise to keep afterall...."
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Keaton the Black Jackal
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Post by Keaton the Black Jackal on Jun 21, 2005 17:14:36 GMT -5
As refreshing as it would be to see Sulley, Mike, and Randall not fighting... well, it just wouldn't be the same. Sulley tried to make peace with Randall once (kind of) near the beginning of the movie, but that didn't work out too well. ^_^; Friendly conflict seems to be a bit beneath the competitive Randall. I feel like I'm the only person on this board who owns her own lifesize Sulley plushie. How can you hate the big guy? ~Keaton the Black Jackal
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Post by ScrewyOldDame on Jun 21, 2005 21:19:36 GMT -5
Mmmhmm. I totally agree, Keaton. It seemed they Randall had a general distaste for Sulley, which - c'mon - everybody has somebody that just plainly rubs them the wrong way. I'm not a huge Sulley fan, Keaton, but I don't dispise him.
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