Randall/Celia anyone?

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Maybe this would go here, but I'm not sure.

Anyone else find themselves shipping this unconventional pairing. I just can't get them out of my head, to the point where I want to write AU compliant pre-canon fic for them.

[pitbulllady]

Dec 23, 2010 23:36:07 GMT -5 gs said:

Maybe this would go here, but I'm not sure.

Anyone else find themselves shipping this unconventional pairing. I just can't get them out of my head, to the point where I want to write AU compliant pre-canon fic for them.

They kinda-sorta intrigue me, due to the fact that Celia Mae seems to be a down-to-earth, but no-nonsense, sort of girl, "well-grounded" emotionally, and that is exactly what Randall needs. So many fanfics have him paired up with OC's who have more emotional baggage than he does, and THAT wouldn't work! Celia also has that slight reptilian appearance, too, more if you count her "hair". It just seems that she and Randall would make a better couple than she and Wazowski, since I don't see her putting up with his chronic lying for very long. I've also toyed around in my head with Randall x Sheri, but I'm not sure that her personality would set well with his or not. Still, all in all, I'm more for 'shipping Randall with an OC HUMAN female. I know a lot of people have that "eeewwww, gross...he's a MONSTER" reaction, but hopefully Megamind x Roxie will smooth THAT over, since he's not human, either, and I sure haven't read ANY negative reactions to that pairing!

pitbulllady

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Still, I think Megamind looks pretty close to human despite being blue, having a large head, and very little hair, even if he really is an alien. (But Megamind/Roxanne was really well done in the film!)

Sheri Flint, the trainer in the intro, right? Yeah, I think her and Randall would be too much alike to get romantically involved (though maybe they could still be friends).

A human may not find a monster attractive, have that knee jerk 'eeewww' reaction, but what about--well, would Randall even find a human attractive? Of course, I think if a monster and a human were to love each other, it would more be a love of what's within/their personality. Of course, Beauty and the Beast is a precedent for pretty much human/monster.

However, when I began toying with another crossover idea with Randall locked up with the other monsters in "Monsters v. Aliens" (probably along with young Megamind and Minion too, in another variation on their eventual fic family dynamic) and pretty much do a homage to "Finding Nemo." I found Gill and Randall a little similar, or Gill what Randall could've been--and I was thinking Susan (a human mutated into a giant and called a "monster" because of that) could be "Peach" in that scenario...and since I always sorta shipped Gill/Peach, I began thinking about Randall/Susan, and realized that they didn't sound half bad to me....

Thanks for your input on Celia, that like really sums up my thoughts on how the two would work.

There was an interficon the fanfic boards here, that seemed to be a Steam Punk version of direct MI ancestors leading up to the creation of the door system--and like both Randall's and Celia's super direct ancestors worked for Waternoose in the same household, and even though I didn't see them interact, it seemed like they had the potential for it, and even an increased likelihood that they could bond somewhat, since Waternoose became rather cruel to his servant Celia IMO later, not unlike the treatment he had for his servant Randall I imagine. (Also, Mike was a taxi cab driver, and didn't seem to know Celia.)

[pitbulllady]

Yeah, but you know, in spite of appearances, there's the whole DNA thing to consider with regarding a Randall x human OC. Monsters ARE, according to the DVD, directly descended from humans, with only 100,000 of evolution separating them, which isn't much in terms of genetics. As I mentioned before, dogs evolved from wolves around that same time, and while many dog breeds don't look anything at all like a wolf, their DNA is identical, so they are essentially still the same species. While Randall might not LOOK human, he still shares a majority of his genetic material with us, more than we share with chimps, most likely, given that they split off from the family of anthropoid apes that eventually became human much, much further back than Mons from Mans. As much as we love to deny it, we're all still very much influenced by our basic biology and genes. Certainly many humans find Randall very attractive, from a physical standpoint, so given his lack of choices here in our world, why would it be that much of a stretch to assume that he might feel the same way about a female human?

Yes, Sheri was the red trainer seen at the beginning of the film, who was, shall we say, less than patient with the new recruits(can't say I really blame her, though). She comes across as rather cynical and sarcastic, as you said, a bit TOO much like Randall in personality. She seems rather "burned out" on her job as well. Randall needs someone who'd show genuine affection without coddling him, but who would know when to draw the line and put her foot(or whatever appendages she has)down and not enable his inappropriate behavior. She'd need to be a very good listener and have a lot of patience, rather than be confrontational whenever he's having one of his "bad days", and I can't see Sheri doing that. Celia Mae, yeah.

By the way, I did go watch one of the trailers for Megamind on IMDb, and the parallels between him and Randall are astounding, honestly. Both seem to be the perpetual underdog, never quite able to catch an even break no matter what, who's biggest assets are their respective IQ's, and both are motivated by "jealousy" of someone else who seems to have everything, especially popularity, although "Metro Man" seems more like a humanoid Mike Wazowski on steroids than James P. Sullivan! In fact, the whole Megamind vs. Metro Man/Randall vs. Sulley thing is so similar that if Pixar DOES decide to have Randall undergo a similar character arc in the sequel, there might be accusations of them copying Dreamworks! I can easily imagine Randall having had a dysfunctional childhood, probably not raised by his biological parents, either, and incessantly tormented by other monster kids in school for not only looking like some lower animal, a lizard, but for his unique "blending" ability, and probably for his brains, as well. Being smart isn't considered "cool" to most kids. At some point, perhaps on a subconcious level, he started to believe what others were saying about him-that he was a bad seed, and was torn between proving them all wrong and showing them just how bad he could really be.

pitbulllady

[gs]

Oh yeah, I forgot that! That was really interesting actually, that bonus feature on the DVD about the monsters' origin and their connection to humans. I love world-building, and part of why I really wanted a sequel was to just learn more about the Monster World, see more of it. I think--I'd have to make sure--but I think MI is still the only Pixar film so far that has an alternate world like Monstropolis, etc.

Yes, Randall and Megamind have some interesting parallels. That's why I thought they'd have an interesting dynamic together.

[pitbulllady]

Dec 24, 2010 17:45:16 GMT -5 gs said:

Oh yeah, I forgot that! That was really interesting actually, that bonus feature on the DVD about the monsters' origin and their connection to humans. I love world-building, and part of why I really wanted a sequel was to just learn more about the Monster World, see more of it. I think--I'd have to make sure--but I think MI is still the only Pixar film so far that has an alternate world like Monstropolis, etc.

Yes, Randall and Megamind have some interesting parallels. That's why I thought they'd have an interesting dynamic together.

I would think that Cars would count as an alternate world, wouldn' it? I mean it's obviously not in OUR world...but still, that world doesn't intrigue me nearly as much as the Monster World does. The monsters are flesh-and-blood, living beings like us, since they are descending from us, and their evolution from that point of their "banishment" from this world has paralleled our own. The thing that really makes that world so intriguing is that if you follow the belief in "Multiverses", or "multiple universes", it's one that is not at all outside the realm of possibility. In Cars, there apparently was no other universe but theirs, and humans did not exist, period. In the Monster World, though, the notion of there being more than one universe, more than one version of Earth, more than one version of the United States and other familiar countries, and the concept that there were portals between various universes played a central role. That whole notion of there being all these different universes, side by side, and there being people(yes, I would consider the monsters to be "people")able to move between them by various means is absolutely fascinating. It's not new, of course, but it still never fails to pique my interest because of the possibility that it COULD actually be reality! Many prominent physicists, including Albert Einstein, were proponents of this belief. Who am I to argue with Albert Einstein? It's a world I'd really love to see more of myself, this Monster World-their various forms of government, their educations systems, their family structures, etc. Even in the books on the movie, there are just so many close similarities. I recently found a concept art piece(probably from the "Art of..." book), showing a typical street corner in Monstropolis, with all the cars going by, the stores, etc. One vehicle in particular caught my eye, a caterer's truck, with one of those cartoonish chickens(looked a lot like the Zaxby's logo)wearing a chef's hat, carrying a platter of...you guessed it, CHICKEN, just like the sort of thing we see here in our world, in the USA. In the movie, we get glimpses of everyday monster family life, with the mom and dad and kids, just like ours. It makes me want to see more, to see if they have the same problems that we do, of poverty and government corruption, of drug abuse, of wars and terrorism, as well as the good things.

pitbulllady

[mintygreen]

Dec 24, 2010 16:26:14 GMT -5 pitbulllady said:

Yeah, but you know, in spite of appearances, there's the whole DNA thing to consider with regarding a Randall x human OC. Monsters ARE, according to the DVD, directly descended from humans, with only 100,000 of evolution separating them, which isn't much in terms of genetics. As I mentioned before, dogs evolved from wolves around that same time, and while many dog breeds don't look anything at all like a wolf, their DNA is identical, so they are essentially still the same species. While Randall might not LOOK human, he still shares a majority of his genetic material with us, more than we share with chimps, most likely, given that they split off from the family of anthropoid apes that eventually became human much, much further back than Mons from Mans. As much as we love to deny it, we're all still very much influenced by our basic biology and genes. Certainly many humans find Randall very attractive, from a physical standpoint, so given his lack of choices here in our world, why would it be that much of a stretch to assume that he might feel the same way about a female human?

Yes, Sheri was the red trainer seen at the beginning of the film, who was, shall we say, less than patient with the new recruits(can't say I really blame her, though). She comes across as rather cynical and sarcastic, as you said, a bit TOO much like Randall in personality. She seems rather "burned out" on her job as well. Randall needs someone who'd show genuine affection without coddling him, but who would know when to draw the line and put her foot(or whatever appendages she has)down and not enable his inappropriate behavior. She'd need to be a very good listener and have a lot of patience, rather than be confrontational whenever he's having one of his "bad days", and I can't see Sheri doing that. Celia Mae, yeah.

By the way, I did go watch one of the trailers for Megamind on IMDb, and the parallels between him and Randall are astounding, honestly. Both seem to be the perpetual underdog, never quite able to catch an even break no matter what, who's biggest assets are their respective IQ's, and both are motivated by "jealousy" of someone else who seems to have everything, especially popularity, although "Metro Man" seems more like a humanoid Mike Wazowski on steroids than James P. Sullivan! In fact, the whole Megamind vs. Metro Man/Randall vs. Sulley thing is so similar that if Pixar DOES decide to have Randall undergo a similar character arc in the sequel, there might be accusations of them copying Dreamworks! I can easily imagine Randall having had a dysfunctional childhood, probably not raised by his biological parents, either, and incessantly tormented by other monster kids in school for not only looking like some lower animal, a lizard, but for his unique "blending" ability, and probably for his brains, as well. Being smart isn't considered "cool" to most kids. At some point, perhaps on a subconcious level, he started to believe what others were saying about him-that he was a bad seed, and was torn between proving them all wrong and showing them just how bad he could really be.

pitbulllady

If their DNA is that close to humans.....they might even be able to have kids together actually, since that tends to sometimes happen in species that are different but pretty similar in DNA. The offspring themselves are usually infertile though.