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Post by pitbulllady on May 20, 2010 19:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 20, 2010 19:54:15 GMT -5
*chuckles* Funny. Doesn't anyone think that THESE people (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? Hahaha...humans being ethical heh heh) get sexual satisfaction at taking blows at snakes themselves? *shakes head*
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Post by Bampot on May 20, 2010 20:02:43 GMT -5
You know what pisses me off the most? The a**holes who let their pet get attacked and take pictures the whole time. I remember a case a few years back about an old lady who took pictures while her neighbors loose snake ate her Pomeranian and then tried to sue the guy. Fooking a**holes. You could of saved your dog at any moment, but instead decided to record the whole thing. And then they try to blame the snake owner and the snake itself. WTF?
Anywho, that article is ridiculous and what's more ridiculous is all the people taking it seriously -,- I've never heard anything like that before. It's like saying everyone who owns a cat or dog has them for sexual purposes. It's just ridiculous.
Seriously, why are people signing this? I guess if you bring dead puppies and kittens in the picture, people will believe whatever you say.
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 20, 2010 20:05:47 GMT -5
Why does it seem ridiculous. It's human nature. Show even the slightest evidence that goes against something you dislike, even twisting it to fit that, and you'd sign up for it. Ethics, morals, this means nothing to these people. *chuckles* Which is why I like Death Note's messages so much and how Light Yagami can represent even a good person who was given such choices. But for compare sakes...the world, at times, can be rotten because of the people in it...
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Post by sgtyayap on May 20, 2010 21:10:31 GMT -5
On the other hand, I looked briefly at the REAL psychopaths who signed it, and it seems this is all the way back from mid December of last year. Only one or two pages worth out of just over 25 were of recently.
Update: I ALSO found another petition on the same site that OPPOSES S373, which has about the same number, most (if not all) of whom signed within the last 24 hours! Note as well that their goal for signatures (which isn't THAT irrational at this rate) is 5 times HIGHER than the other one.
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Post by pitbulllady on May 20, 2010 21:28:53 GMT -5
You know what pisses me off the most? The a**holes who let their pet get attacked and take pictures the whole time. I remember a case a few years back about an old lady who took pictures while her neighbors loose snake ate her Pomeranian and then tried to sue the guy. Fooking a**holes. You could of saved your dog at any moment, but instead decided to record the whole thing. And then they try to blame the snake owner and the snake itself. WTF? Anywho, that article is ridiculous and what's more ridiculous is all the people taking it seriously -,- I've never heard anything like that before. It's like saying everyone who owns a cat or dog has them for sexual purposes. It's just ridiculous. Seriously, why are people signing this? I guess if you bring dead puppies and kittens in the picture, people will believe whatever you say. Bampot, the animal in that picture being eaten by the albino Burmese python is NOT a dog...it's a freakin' RABBIT!! Rabbits are common snake food AND people food; most people who feed rabbits to snakes buy them from large-scale rabbitries, which breed them primarily for human consumption. I find it disturbing that most people can't tell the difference between a dog and a rabbit, but honestly, most people can't. The myth that snake owners steal kittens and puppies to feed to our snakes comes from the same source that dog-fighters steal puppies and kittens to train their dogs to fight-straight from the HSUS. The HSUS were the first ones to come up with that myth back in the '80s, and it's become one of the standard wives' tales that is perpetrated as truth, to the extend that wannabe dog-fighters and gang-bangers actually thought that this is the way to make a Pit Bull fight and actually DID start stealing small pets to be torn apart by their wannabe "pit bulls". My great-grandfather was a dog-fighter, so I grew up around real fighting game dogs-not bragging, just stating a fact. He would actually shoot any of his dogs, even his champions, if they so much as looked sideways at a cat, chicken or puppy or one of his wife's precious Chihuahuas. Real old-school dog-fighters would not tolerate animal or human aggression in their dogs, only dog aggression towards adult dogs of similar size, and usually only if the dog was actually in a fighting pit. The HSUS created that myth when they made it their goal to take down purebred dogs, one breed or type at a time, and of course if they could paint a certain breed as being some horrific monster and the owners/breeders of that type of dog as being even worse monsters, they could succeed much faster in achieving that goal. If "pit bulls" were nothing more than bloodthirsty killers, their owners had to be made out to be even worse, and like you said, few things stir up human emotions like cute little helpless fluffy animals. Now, they are using that same garbage to make owners of large snakes look just like dog-fighters, that claim that we steal puppies and kitties or get them for free off of classifieds ads to feed to our animals. Check out some ads on your Craigs List; most of the ones for cats and small dogs mention that they are requiring a "re-homing" fee(a joke, another AR term since they refuse to accept animals as property which can actually be bought and sold)so that no one feeds the animal to a snake! pitbulllady
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Post by mistica0christina on May 20, 2010 21:39:25 GMT -5
She never actually said that it was a dog in the pic.
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Post by Bampot on May 20, 2010 22:25:24 GMT -5
That's not the picture to the story I was talking about, PBL The actual story involves a family that just stood around and let their Chihuahua/Terrier mix get eaten and they even took a picture. They even said that the snake stalked their pet for a few days before this happen. Now, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't let my dog out if I knew there was a large snake loose. Someone lost their python in a town near here a couple years back and it did eat some dogs and cats before they found it. I didn't let my dog go out alone those weeks. And if I saw my dog being eaten by a snake, that would be one dead snake. Even if my dog was beyond saving. I certainly wouldn't stand around, take pictures, and created a sob story while my kids watched.
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Post by mentalguru on May 21, 2010 2:52:18 GMT -5
-Looks at all the people who signed-
I think I've been almost paralysed in shock by how many seem to have sent it on.
This article is so far out of the ball park it is on Mars.
How do people believe that sort of thing? Do they not realise that making immediate judgements about a large group of people which are incredibly diverse and belong to so many different creeds and backgrounds is... kind of pushing it. Even just a little? Especially with such an outlandish claim?
LOL. where the heck did they get the idea of that in any case? Did they simply see 'Ooh snakes= phallic symbol' and decide to run with it?
I can forgive kids more or less. But I kind of expected better from so many adults (the people signing).
Are you doing an opposite campaign PBL? Counteracting this one?
Unfortunatly it sometimes seems it is as if its the loudest voices who get things passed rather than actual logic and people going 'hang on, does this really add up'?... :/
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Post by pitbulllady on May 21, 2010 5:23:17 GMT -5
That's not the picture to the story I was talking about, PBL The actual story involves a family that just stood around and let their Chihuahua/Terrier mix get eaten and they even took a picture. They even said that the snake stalked their pet for a few days before this happen. Now, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't let my dog out if I knew there was a large snake loose. Someone lost their python in a town near here a couple years back and it did eat some dogs and cats before they found it. I didn't let my dog go out alone those weeks. And if I saw my dog being eaten by a snake, that would be one dead snake. Even if my dog was beyond saving. I certainly wouldn't stand around, take pictures, and created a sob story while my kids watched. THAT snake, which is the one in the article linked in this horrible page I posted, was a wild, native Australian Scrub Python, NOT an "escaped pet" or even one belonging to anyone, even though the writer of the article arguing for banning large snakes claims that the photo does match the news article. Many people have criticized the Aussie family for allowing such a small dog outside, unsupervised, in an area that is known to be home to many large predators, including wild pythons, big monitor lizards and Wedge-Tailed eagles, which can kill a full-grown Dingo! BUT, that incident has absolutely NOTHING to do with the claims made in the article. Australia has many large pythons, not to mention the most-venomous snakes on the planet, and these are native wildlife, not former pets, so no one lost that Scrub Python; it was just a natural part of the environment doing what predators do. pitbulllady
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Post by sgtyayap on May 21, 2010 7:25:00 GMT -5
Hello? Has anyone noticed MY contribution? There have only been two or three more signatures since yesterday, while the other one I noted is only a few signatures away from exceeding it!
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Post by mistica0christina on May 21, 2010 9:19:28 GMT -5
Is this what you're talking about SgtYayap? animals.change.org/petitions/view/stop_the_fiction_based_sb_373_2811_government_ban_on_pet_snakesEither way, this "ban snakes" petition is the weirdest thing I've ever heard of as far as reasons for banning which according to this person is considered sexual in her mind (I think it's a she, or maybe it could be a guy, don't know). Hmm, makes me wonder how their sex life is....okay, that's not right of me, I need to get my mind out of the gutter! (bad Mistica, bad) Still, as an animal lover, I would never do any nasty junk in front of my pets, for goodness sake, I feel weird changing my clothes in front of them XD although I don't think it would matter to an animal whether they see a human clothed or naked but still, I do feel weird but if there was any actual person who would "pleasure" themselves in front of their pet, gosh, scar the poor guy for life! I can imagine the snake thinking along the lines of "WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU DOING?!" Also, it wouldn't make sense to feed a cat or dog to a snake or at least to me it doesn't. Since I'm planning on getting my first reptile, been doing my research and one reason why snake owners who feed frozen stuff to their pets is because of the type of damage a live rat or mouse could do to the animal. Now, take in to consideration a dog or cat, even after a snake eats one I'm pretty sure that it wasn't without a fight! Even so feeding stray anything to another animal is like giving it it's last meal, you have no idea what type of diseases and conditions the stray is in but if you honestly want to commit animal homicide then sure, go for it but as regular feedings, dumb idea! *only posting up for inspection here on a personal note* Now, I know that PBL already pointed out that this is a rabbit but looking at the photo through the eyes of the basic reader and viewer of the net, I can understand a little the confusion in people seeing it as a dog. First off, the photo is cropped a slight bit, you can't see the animals full body, including it's tail which I'm sure if you were to see the tail of the animal, right off the back we could see it was a rabbit but due to cropping, that leads to the first misconception. Second, we can't see it's head due to it already getting eaten by the snake and also due to the body position, it does look closer to that of a dog than a rabbit. One possible give away that it's a rabbit but not entirely is lack of visible genitals, if this rabbit was female, it wouldn't matter but if it's male, then it would. Animals like guinea pigs and rabbits don't have their genitials visible on the outside of their bodies, there is a special method in order to check them for gender, on a male dog, you'd be able to tell that it was a boy just from looking. Second is the front paws, because I will be honest when I first saw this pic on the link, I didn't think it was a dog because the paws are shaped strange for a dog or at least they are to me. Still, the illusion through cropping of the photo and any other possible photoshopping that may have been done to the pic could lead to the illusion that this snake is eating supposidely a dog. Edit: My mother pointed out another thing, how the tail is positioned and such doesn't even look like a dog, if it was a dog, even with it's tail between it's legs, there would be a slight bump from the base of the tail.
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Post by Bampot on May 21, 2010 10:41:33 GMT -5
THAT snake, which is the one in the article linked in this horrible page I posted, was a wild, native Australian Scrub Python, NOT an "escaped pet" or even one belonging to anyone, even though the writer of the article arguing for banning large snakes claims that the photo does match the news article. Many people have criticized the Aussie family for allowing such a small dog outside, unsupervised, in an area that is known to be home to many large predators, including wild pythons, big monitor lizards and Wedge-Tailed eagles, which can kill a full-grown Dingo! BUT, that incident has absolutely NOTHING to do with the claims made in the article. Australia has many large pythons, not to mention the most-venomous snakes on the planet, and these are native wildlife, not former pets, so no one lost that Scrub Python; it was just a natural part of the environment doing what predators do. pitbulllady I think they were crazy for letting their dog out too. And I think they were highly irresponsible to let their children watch their dog being eaten. Talking about breeding a new generation of snake haters. I know if I saw that happen when I was so young (the kids were like, what, 5?) I would develop a great fear and resentment of snakes. But, yes, the original article says a ton of shit, none of which is supported by solid facts. I don't think it's a threat because even people who don't like snakes would probably scoff at it. I sent it to my boyfriend and he did and he's a great snake hater. Yes, if you don't study that picture, it does look like a dog. The fact that it's smaller and just something someone would skim over in the first place (don't really like looking at pictures like that), you would believe it's a dog and not a rabbit. There are real pics of snakes swallowing dogs and due to the rather vulgar nature of the internet, I'm sure they're not hard to find. I wonder why they didn't just use one of those. I think the article talks about feeding "precious bunnies" to snakes somewhere, but most people eat rabbits too, so it's not the best argument. Unless your the people who signed this, apparently.
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Post by sgtyayap on May 21, 2010 15:52:25 GMT -5
Yep. That's the one I was referring to. Though, interestingly, I had also found another one with a goal similar to THIS petition, also with quite a few signatures. She never actually said that it was a dog in the pic. Actually, they did, apparently. I quote: "THIS PHOTO IS A SNAKE SWALLOWING ALIVE A PET DOG (and the snake did it in front of horrified children!)" Still, maybe snake lovers could show this to people neutral on the situation to make them realize just how psychotic THESE people are by making such outlandish lies and how it ties in perfectly with the Animal Rights movement.
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Post by Bampot on May 21, 2010 17:02:20 GMT -5
Mistica was actually referring to PBL's response to me earlier, not the article. The article does say that the rabbit is a dog and that this snake apparently did so in front of horrified children. Which is actually kind of funny since that picture has zero relation to the story they're mentioning.
I say show this article to everyone you know just to show them what lows these people will go to to ban pets.
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