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Post by mentalguru on Mar 9, 2010 11:50:21 GMT -5
Posted this on PP actually, I'll copy and paste it here, I want to know what you think:
I'm not even sure this is on topic but... I kind of glanced at adultfanfiction.net (just idol curioisty... I swear..), and I discovered something REALLY bizarre.
CARS adultfanfiction/smut. I am more than slightly horrified actually. I didn't READ any so I can't judge on the quality but a part of me is just... um... what? There are no words. I mean I'm still wondering though...HOW in my morbid curiosity that such a thing would even be POSSIBLE.
I mean, the Cars universe kind of bothers me since of course this is an area which meant their universe never made much sense (where do cars come from?) etc but...
NO!
NO!!!
Don't believe me? Go to cartoons (not movies) on that site (if you're over 18 and thus can get into it that is), under 6 through F and see for yourself. I am far too freaked out at the moment to actually READ the stuff but I think eventually I might just read it (just to see.... HOW.... curiosity is going to kill me one of these days like the cat.).
Or maybe I won't read it at all. It all depends. I am actually pretty weirded out on a level I have never felt before, and I thought I'd nearly seen it all in fandoms. Clearly NOT.
It's not like it's only ONE fic either, but EIGHT of them, and that's actually quite a REASONABLE number glancing at the lists of 'number of fics' per section in some cases. (Technically though about 4 or 5 different authors though).
I'm not sure what to think about a world which finds cars getting it on 'hot' (granted, only a few seem to have any reviews... and I'm not sure the ones given are even positive because a part of me simply recoiling in horror at the very idea of cars... literal CARS doing that sort of thing to even want to read what people who might be into that sort of thing are saying)
Yeah...
WHAT?
I kind of doubt I'm being hypocritical (just because I am not oppossed the idea of monsters with humans for example in Monsters Inc, but there is no section for that movie before you ask either, I just checked after I discovered 'Cars' out of curiosity).
I don't even want to KNOW if there is Finding Nemo adultfanfiction though. (Pfft. They're FISH. Come one, even with the barest basics in biological knowledge how precisely can anyone think they could write smut on that anyway?)
EDIT: Darn you curiosity! There ISN'T Finding Nemo (thank goodness) but... WALL-E has a section (only one fic... but still), The Incredibles has thirteen (both under MOVIES though not cartoons like Cars). Which makes a lot more sense (The Incredibles) at least given that they're you know, at least organic sentient beings and all, so it's not really an issue for me at all (though I've yet to see what they are, if I look at all)... but WALL-E?! The love there is so... innocent and pure and we KNOW they're not going to 'grow up' like humans or anything like that. I'm afraid to even click the section to read the summary. It might destroy me.
I don't know what to make of this exactly. --
(Granted I must also add just for Boggs board, that perhaps a part of me shouldn't be surprised. I've glanced at this site before and I can't say I'm impressed... (I'm wondering if 99% of the authors have even SEEN anyone of the other gender or heck the same gender in some cases, let alone touched one from what I've seen). The writing skills of 99% have not been impressive most of the time in general terms and the fact there are people who wrote smut in relation to animals like the Lion King among otherthings was something I already knew, but never cared for at all (and weirded me out too, but CARS is just even weirder than that).
Still:
CARS?!
WALL-E?!
How?! (Unless they humanise them?)
It's my own fault though I guess for looking.
Perhaps I'm just closed minded though. I don't know. o_0;;
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Post by sgtyayap on Mar 9, 2010 16:27:11 GMT -5
Oh, god. Now we have to talk about smut. I am personally against ANY kind of explicit sexual fanfictions. I don't really remember, but I think that was a major factor in what made me drop out of some fandoms, and it's undoubtedly the case for others, as well. But the creepiest thing about smut is the kinds of things the writers do other than write stories. They say things like "it's hot!" Just add in "for internet criminals who want to kidnap innocent people" and THEN it would be accurate! Now, as far as Disney and Pixar smut fandoms go, it IS especially disturbing when one of the partners is a kid (or at least is in canon material), and/or love at its innocent levels in canon material gets skewered, to put it lightly. I'm almost certain that some people here will strongly disagree with me in regards to internet crimes being connected to smut, but I'm partially talking from experience; junk mail skyrocketed for me on my old email account after accidentally stumbling across an in-depth smut fanfiction involving "Lilo and Stitch's" Stitch and Gantu! That's much of the reason I'm comfortable in the Randall fandom over others; the bulk of his fans, at least for now, are sane.
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Post by DinoGirl on Mar 9, 2010 17:13:33 GMT -5
Something like that I wouldn't even categorize as fandom! Smut has no plot at all, but is an exploitation of characters. It's something I do come across and by chance have read without realizing from the title (it was more or less teen rated until further on), but is just pointless and rather disturbing, and THAT was description of human characters. Adding on also, in a few books I've read, of course, they have 'hinted' towards 'that', but have never gone into detail, which I think is the best way about it. If there is any of that kind of intimacy with the characters, it should NOT be the FOCUS.
I think that's one of the best ways to put that type of fandom on Pixar films. WTF are they thinking. I mean, they are not even human! Yeah, exactly mentalguru... how in the first place? I don't wanna know what goes through their heads...
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 9, 2010 17:30:31 GMT -5
I have actually seen this site, and no, I did not read any of the Cars "adult" fanfiction. I just cannot fathom them as sexual beings at all! What few fics I did peruse were obviously NOT written by adults at all, not with the levels of immaturity and lack of ahem, knowledge of the subject at hand, so clearly there are a lot of kids lying like politicians just to get on the site and post smut. I have to admit though, that I'm surprised that there are no M.I. fanfics there, given the obvious appeal that Randall has and the potential for someone to take Mike and Sulley's relationship the wrong way, but I'm also relieved. While I would not mind a well-written erotica piece featuring my favorite monster, it would not belong there on that site, with what are obviously written by scoloured personing teenagers just to try to show the world how dirty they can be and get by with it, whose vocabulary is limited to the most vulgar of terms for anatomy and behavior. Most of the stories appear to be written for nothing more than shock value, especially the huge numbers that involve pedophilia, which makes up 99% of the FHFIF section there.
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Post by sgtyayap on Mar 9, 2010 17:53:26 GMT -5
Adding on also, in a few books I've read, of course, they have 'hinted' towards 'that', but have never gone into detail, which I think is the best way about it. If there is any of that kind of intimacy with the characters, it should NOT be the FOCUS. I think that's one of the best ways to put that type of fandom on Pixar films. WTF are they thinking. I mean, they are not even human! Yeah, exactly mentalguru... how in the first place? I don't wanna know what goes through their heads... I agree 100% where sexual content in any type of media is concerned, DinoGirl. And such a policy, unfortunately, is infinitely more likely in books than in films and TV shows. As for FHFIF, it's probably a good thing I never got into that, keeping in mind what you wrote, pitbulllady.
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Post by mentalguru on Mar 10, 2010 3:30:23 GMT -5
-Laughs- Glad to know I'm not the only one. I seriously don't know how Cars smut is even possible and mostly I think I don't want to know. (Of course once again, I do have that small amount of morbid curiosity, just to see how BAD it really is. But I think I can resist it this time somehow.)
Plus... WALL-E... I just. Okay, the character is ADORABLE really in the end isn't he, and he's been like that for SEVEN-HUNDRED YEARS. He's not going to 'grow-up' at ANY point...
So stay AWAY from WALL-E evil smut! He's too innocent for that sort of thing.
The number of decent fics probably numbers two in the site from what I've seen (went there AGES ago once too, though never looked for PIXAR), and one of them while I couldn't detract (much) from quality it kind of eventually bored me (sex, either talked about or shown... all the time, in a multichapter- the only subject at all. I had to stop after chapter 3 or something like that).
I am also relieved and yet confused there is no M.I. section myself. I mean yeah, RANDALL- come on. Granted I'd be terrified of finding something with Waternoose (oh dear god...) or worse something with Boo DURING or SOON AFTER the events of the movie. (And anything with Sulley X Boo... like for Sg with some relationships... I love their PLATONIC relationship).
Or to throw one out there- what do you think of Roz X Mike?
...
(Oh good lord I just grossed myself out.)
I'm probably considered 'boring' though in this area. While I certainly make references to Randall being a bit of a player in the past and I feel that's probably more realistic for him in general to have had one night stands etc and maybe even for a little while, while it amuses me to talk about that sort of thing, in fiction what I find most 'hot' is the type of sex where you can really feel LOVE and what not. In terms of the 'spontaneous' kind, I like it when people in a relationship continue to surprise each other or feel really comfortable about it OR two people who have been friends for a while have some sort of tension and then things get too much and...
Well you get the idea. They have to be legal ADULTS too. Sometimes though it also depends on the friendship in question (as well as whether the orientation being realistic for me) though.
Although there has been one where enemy love was more or less absent that I still managed to like (it was bitter-sweet almost, in fact I sort of got the impression the woman cared more than she was letting on), and I'm sure there are others out there (heck another pairing I like- well they WERE enemies for a long time, but it was just pretty obvious they were going to be friends eventually, so it drew me- but it's two GUYS so I'm not actually that interested in the adult end too much except in a curious sort of way and in terms of my weird sense humour most of the time)... I don't get hate-sex MYSELF you know PERSONALLY speaking. I mean I know they say there's a thin line between love and hate and all but... still. Sometimes people make the BIG mistake and think that the expression means hate MEANS there always must be love....
I just kind of think what -I- find uh most 'hot' isn't necessarily what Randall would realistically ONLY do (he likely would in any case at least sometimes have that sort of relations where he's not interested in pursuing a longterm/ and maybe only finds physical attraction). I guess. Plus it does amuse me to think about it on some level. He's technically his own person (character?) in the end though. He's not me after all. If he was I'd be giving him my own orientation (bi/pansexuality), but I view him as straight so... yeah.
It's kind of in relation to seeing Randall as redeemable. I didn't view him as redeemable because I LIKED the character- I didn't. Not at first. I eventually came to see him as redeemable and eventually I got to like him more and his potnetial was intriguing.
But whatever.
Plus back on topic- I like simple cute, awkward stuff too sometimes. And angst. And humour and longing and all that stuff adultfanfiction.net is just not the place for THAT side of things obviously.
EDIT: I guess what I'm TRYING to say too is that maybe enemy pairings aren't so bad actually sometimes. It's just when it's all OMGHATESEXSOHAWT that I often tend to go o_0;; and wonder what on earth is going on.
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Post by mentalguru on Mar 10, 2010 8:09:37 GMT -5
Clearly, I am a glutton for self punishment.
Before you ask, no I didn't dare click the WALL-E section, nor have I surcuumed to actually reading the Cars stories (only ... this is baffling- they have SLASH from the summaries. I don't get this. I mean it's baffling the idea of genders at all in Cars for me. I almost fear there will be terrible anaologies to tail pipes. Or something. I'm beginning to wonder if my own imagination could be worse than the real thing. And once again I'm unsure if I want to find out).
No. I read some Incredibles summaries. AND two of the stories.
They have incest. One of these incest ones apparently being a threesome.
Why am I not surprised?
I've seen this sort of thing before though, but to be fair THERE it was discuss just how freaking messed up that family was, and I never saw anyone get 'off' on it much. It was just a case of discussion in that 'this family is SO messed up, it wouldn't really surprise me actually. Incest would probably seem NORMAL to them'.(Given the amount of mental/emotional abuse they seem to put the main antagonist through anyway even discounting the one instance of physical where the FATHER burned his FACE. Plus his sister is...anyway. It does almost make sense if you know the family at all actually. ) But actually getting off on it? Hah! I never heard that unless people were JOKING.
I think I'm going to crawl away and die now though.
I'm guessing Violet is a victim in all this Incredibles Incest myself. Most probably. I DID read a Mirage/Syndrome oneshot there... it... no. Not impressive. Not SCARRING but no. And I won't describe it to you.
But it seems to be the most normal one of the lot really apart from a syndrome/oc one which has elements of non-consentuality in my eyes.
I'm scared.
Oh great, Avatar: TLA (my other main fandom) has it's own section not under the alphabet- and so does Harry Potter, my old one. How wonderful.
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Post by mistica0christina on Mar 10, 2010 19:16:51 GMT -5
Welcome to the internet. For some reason, finding stuff like that doesn't surprise me. As long as you have sites where people watch or draw porno, people writing it is nothing new.
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Post by Bampot on Apr 13, 2010 14:38:01 GMT -5
I'm glad that I'm not the only one disturbed by the Cars universe itself. The idea of there being pr0n of it is no surprise. Rule 34 of the internet: If it exist, there is porn of it. As I've read and seen a decent amount of Transformers smut, I would assume that Cars works in the same similar, disturbing ways.
Although, I'm glad to note that I've never seen drawn smut for Cars. That has to be some kind of sign that the world is still pure in a sense. Of course, the same can't be said of The Incredibles.
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Post by mistica0christina on Apr 13, 2010 22:49:30 GMT -5
Lol, rule 34 reminds me of something I saw in a Sonic parody video where a guy sees some pic of a Sonic character ( I think it was that one girl character from that one weird DS title, the one that was RPG like) and he's all like, "There's a new Sonic character....I MUST DRAW PORN OF IT!" I honestly think that's what goes through some of these peoples minds.
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Post by Bampot on Apr 14, 2010 18:22:54 GMT -5
Is the sonic fandbase as notorious as I assume it is for smut?
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Post by mistica0christina on Apr 15, 2010 21:34:31 GMT -5
Well, it depends really. While I have nothing against the fans who are into yaoi and all that and trust me, there are a lot of yaoi pairings in the Sonic fandom due to the fact that nearly over half of the cast of characters are...well, guys but I'm not really bothered by that, it's the kind of fans who draw it more like you're looking at an issue of playboy which personally I have accidently stumbled upon and don't find amusing. Trust me when I say this, you can tell which fans are just into the yaoi stuff and which ones are doing porno and also not to mention that there are porno sites and magazines who have featured Sonic and such (both in Japan and the US) which most call doushini or also hentai. It's this kind of junk that bothers me the most because somehow the writers and artists of this junk will always find some way for the characters to get it on and considering that most of Sonic and the gang are under the age of eighteen, I'm more bothered by it since it comes off more like pedophilia to me. So to answer your question, yes there is alot of smut within the Sonic fandom.
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Post by Bampot on Apr 16, 2010 15:32:15 GMT -5
Wow, I did know they actually had graphic doujins for it. I guess I should have known. I really didn't think that fans would go THAT far with it.
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Post by Theophilus Hatta on Jun 6, 2010 11:04:11 GMT -5
Cars smut? WALL-E smut?! Aren't they, well, robots? How does that- why does that- just WHY? *horror*
Ugh, squick, squick, squick, I don't wanna know. Not until I can drink. Not even then. Those are some sick puppies out there...
Mmm, I can do worse--
Roz x Waternoose.
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Ohgods, my brain. X.X
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Post by mentalguru on Jun 6, 2010 11:53:31 GMT -5
I've actually seen that pairing myself TH too. (Roz X Waternoose), it was a fancomic though and as a past relationship, and if you don't think about it TOO much (the squick... the squick), it can almost in a twisted way make sense.
Sort of. DX
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