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Post by Theophilus Hatta on Jun 10, 2010 20:22:04 GMT -5
Oh, that's me. Showing up late to everything and digging up things everyone else has forgotten... ^^;
Exactly, Lady. An anti-hero must first be a *hero* in some form. Though on reflection, Randall did some pretty decent things concerning Boo, he is mainly the antagonist of the piece, the villain.
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Post by conteremo on Mar 11, 2014 13:29:04 GMT -5
Nah, in the movies out so far Randall definitely wouldn't fit as an anti-hero. If there were a movie in which he's the protagonist, I think he would fit that, but at this point in time, no. If anything, he'd fit under anti-villain. I still prefer the term "antagonist," though. Maybe I just have high standards for villains.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 11, 2014 14:08:34 GMT -5
Randall does not fit the description of "villain" that I was taught in Advanced Lit back in high school or in college, that's for sure. Antagonist, yes, but not a villain. One clear distinction is that the villain is in charge. They are in control, and whatever "evil plan" is afoot, it's THEIRS. Randall is more of a minion/henchman for Waternoose, because he more or less blindly goes along with whatever Waternoose orders him to do, pretty much having given up his own free will to the control of someone else.
pitbulllady
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Post by randallsnape7 on Sept 13, 2014 1:14:39 GMT -5
Correction on Page 2:
Regarding Randall not wanting Waternoose to know that he was going to use Boo on the Scream Extractor. I think it's the OPPOSITE.
Waternoose ORDERED Randall to fetch a child - any child - to be tested on HIS (not Randall's) Scream Extractor, but when Randall refused, Waternoose threatened to kill at least Mike, and he also threatened to kill Randall too, if he crossed him. When Randall captured Mike, it was NOT by mistake - even though he let everyone THINK that. Rather, his actions were more like the Hunstman from Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, when he substitutes Snow White's heart with the heart of a pig, which he delivered in that red box back to the Queen, though he was risking his own life by doing so. Randall was protecting Boo, even though nobody knew it... he DID care about her, even though he couldn't show it.
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Post by randallsnape7 on Sept 19, 2014 4:21:49 GMT -5
To a previous comment about Randall being up all night to find Boo: You're right. That statement he makes in the restroom to Fungus could be a hidden clue that keeping Boo away from Waternoose was VERY much on his mind. Now, some might argue (the ones that love to think Randall is a sick dude) that Randall spent all night trying to find Boo just so he could test her on 'his' Scream Extractor machine. I, of course, refute that angle... as it doesn't explain why Randall would be SO devoted to a superior that does nothing but treat him horribly.
It only makes sense that Randall 'being up all night' IN SPITE of suffering from sleep depravation from building WATERNOOSE'S Scream Extractor machine, to locate Boo should stand as the 'smoking gun' evidence that Randall has a big heart, and he's the most loyal friend a monster could ask for. It also makes sense that such a crucial plot point would just be referenced in passing, for a brief moment... and we're expected to forget about it as thoroughly as Fungus did, as if Randall hadn't said anything important.
As for that line where Randall says "And when I find who let it out... they are DEAD!", that is NO different than Snape cornering Professor Quirrell in 'Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone':
QUIRRELL: "Severus, I.. I...
SNAPE: "You don't want me as your enemy, Quirrell."
QUIRRELL: "Wha-what do you m-mean?"
SNAPE: "You know perfectly well what I mean."
Snape senses movement and stretches out his hand to the Invisibility Cloak, but misses. After a second of thought, he rounds on Quirrell again and tells him "Now, we'll have another little chat soon... when you've had time to decide where your loyalties lie..."
TRANSLATION:
What Snape is saying in the sub-text is this: "I have devoted my whole life to protecting the son of my childhood friend, Lily Evans, whom I dearly loved, and if you do ANYTHING to endanger that cause, you will answer to ME.". Harry couldn't have asked for a better protector. Just like how Boo was scared of Randall, Harry was scared of Snape, even though he had NO earthly idea that Snape had just taken up for him.
Randall Boggs and Severus Snape are so incredibly similar, it's not even funny...
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Post by randallsnape7 on Apr 25, 2015 12:42:20 GMT -5
Another literary term (in addition to the term 'anti-hero') that might apply to Randall is the "Shapeshifter".
Here's an excerpt from that book I love so much, called "The Great Snape Debate".
"Knockin' on Heaven's Door"
<Mid paragraph>
'The Shapeshifter, as we discussed in "In Defense of Snape", serves the dramatic function of bringing doubt and suspense into the story (Volger 67). The Shapeshifter can start out as good, bad, or neutral, but always switches sides at a crucial point in the story; the hero often isn't certain of his loyalty until the last minute.'
<end of excerpt>
Again, Pitbulllady... I think you would enjoy reading "The Great Snape Debate". In fact, I'm convinced you would enjoy it IMMENSELY. It's right down your alley. The book does EVERYTHING we've been doing here on Boggs' Board. Even though it talks about Snape... it's very easy to mentally place Randall's name on top of there, and replace Harry's name with Mike and Sulley's.
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