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Post by pitbulllady on Aug 12, 2009 19:56:51 GMT -5
It IS a little funny the ship though. Caught be by surprise is all. I'm more likely to laugh at a ship I think is silly rather than think of it as an insult to the character. (Also on Boo/Ran- hey I'm displaying them as friends, I just really like the discussions of more as a possibility alot, cause it's interesting- and I'm keeping the story as being technically romance free now, so people can think what they want for the future. XD). It's only if the shippers are a bit... well pushy (understatement) that I get a bit uppity. Shipping is suppossed to be FUN. For instance, I don't care if people ship zutara. But Zutara (Zuko X Katara) fans who bash Aang... wooo, no way. I can't stand that. Ship zutara if you want but don't make Aang into a loser or psycopath. He's a good guy. Plus I hate it when some people try to make Zuko.... suave. Zuko isn't suave! He's a dweeb! That's why I LIKE him! He's the underdog in almost everything. He tries so hard, but in the end he's kind of a dork like Aang deep down. They're both AWESOME and they KICK BUTT! They give people the most trouble when they fight TOGETHER. But they're dorks. They're normal pre-teens/teens after all. In all its awkward glory. I like their friendship so much- Zuko going from being exasperated at Aang's optimism to being all encouraging and happy and dorky around the a worried Aang in Fire Bending masters was pretty adorable. Their friendship is amazing and epic, hence, I don't care whether I read romance (as long as it isn't smut) or platonic fics based on the two. I just really like them. But, I don't see zutara in Avatar as lasting very long, if it did ever happen. Both are too competitive, and they both have bad tempers. They need someone who can help them calm down and not lose themselves to the temper. They can't do that for each other. They both have 'mommy' issues and feed and encourage their worst traits in one another. ((I've sort of cut off the Avatar story I have been writing for the M.I. one- in that Zuko and Katara are married... and are miserable. They've run out of arguments. And don't speak. They got married based on lust and are not happy. And there is one-sided Katara X Aang... from Katara's end. If I ever get that far anyway.)) They need someone to mellow them out- in this case, Aang or Mai. Who they themselves in turn sometimes need someone to 'push' them. Their dynamics work. Aang and Zuko friendship works for similar reasons to why Aang and Katara do. Funny thing- a zutara fan on the net got me into Avatar, saying that Katara and Zuko would get together. 'An epic love story'. I honestly TRIED to see it. But couldn't. All I saw was Zuko getting increasingly obsessed with Aang. You'd think a guy tying the girl to a tree would have shown chemistry. It sounds like it would on paper, at any rate. But it didn't. In the end, it was clear from Blue Spirit that it would be AANG's and Zuko's relationship which would bring peace. That Aang is the friend Zuko needed all along. Back on topic- Basically, I can't see a Sulley X Randall ship. Concept makes me laugh. But hey if people want to ship it, I kind of want to know why. I honestly cannot answer that, since like I said, I DON'T 'ship them, and I'm not into "slash" at all. I wanna keep my guys to myself in my little fantasy world, and not share with anyone, let alone another GUY, whether or not I happen to like him, too. I mean, I'd like to see a friendship between Randall and Wilt, for instance, plus a really serious one-on-one game of pick-up basketball, though a third party would have to set a time limit, 'cause knowing those two, if there was no limit set on how long that game could continue...*pictures two rather odd-looking skeletons, years later, moldering in the middle of a deserted basketball court somewhere, still poised as though ready to make the next move*. BUT, a romantic/intimate relationship between them? I don't THINK so! I guess that the minds of us older gals just don't work that way, to think that two attractive guys together in bed, with each other, would be twice as much of a turn-on as just one. One of the Randall/Sulley 'shippers on DA told me-and yes, I had to ask-that the only reason she 'shipped them was because they "looked cute together". I really don't 'ship Randall with anyone from the movie, other than the much-older Mary. The only female that I've even toyed around with him having a relationship with in the movie was Sheri Flint, but honestly, those two are way too much alike for it to work. She comes across as a very domineering type who would REALLY take offense to Randall's lingering immaturity issues, and who would certainly not be sympathetic to his emotional needs(whether or not he'd ever admit to having THOSE), and who probably, like Mike Wazowski, would find very little humor in Randall's occasional practical joke or jest. She doesn't come across as a very positive, up-beat person at all, and that is exactly the kind of person he'd really need to be with(guess that would rule ME out as well, of course), someone who's almost the complete opposite of him, but who is still able to be "in-tune" with him. pitbulllady |
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Post by mentalguru on Aug 26, 2009 13:21:31 GMT -5
Heh. Two bull-heads are asking for trouble. I could see Randall having a 'fling' perhaps with her (Sheri Flint), but not for the long term. She's an attractive enough monster at any rate.
I see Randall as straight, same with Sulley so I can't see them together. If I did see them as otherwise- they could do worse. I mean considering the alternatives and all...
But nah, it doesn't fit how I view their characters.
Aang and Zuko are a bit different though. For instance. Zuko just... doesn't act like he's attracted to girls at all for a LONG time. He was obsessed with Aang and only Aang for SUCH a long time. Yes, I know it was just to get out of his banishment but some of the things Zuko said made you kind of think: WHAT?!
Aang although definitly showing an interst in girls, because he was the Avatar, and thus had been female and male in past lives... I could see them with a guy.
Plus the 'destined friendship' was a bit blatent to ignore. I just hated how people tried to make it as 'zutara' symbolism. In fact, in the end it was proved to be zuko-and-aang friendship symbolism and zuko's struggle with his 'good' and 'evil' sides more than anything.
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 27, 2009 9:32:09 GMT -5
I'll be honest. I am NOT a fan of "slash", of simply making characters homosexual for the sake of making them homosexual. I guess that must be a young girl-teen or early 20-something-thing, and I am long, long past that age. I'm straight, I have no doubts that I'm straight, and I'm not ashamed of being straight. I have no problems with people being homosexual; you are what you are. I have no problems with there being gay characters in stories or movies or whatever, BUT I DO have a problem with what seems to be an obsession of so many young females of insisting that EVERYTHING but the kitchen sink in every single fandom MUST be gay, or at least bi! If the creators of a particular tv show, movie, book, etc. have a character who is gay, fine. If they simply leave enough evidence that most reasonable people will figure out that the character is gay, fine. BUT, when there is NO evidence at all to that effect, I don't see any point in trying homosexualize those characters in fandom. This especially makes no sense to me when girls who are STRAIGHT want to make every male character gay; especially if it's a character that they themselves claim to find attractive! I mean, doesn't that sorta defeat the point? I can just picture some young girl cooing over the cell phone about some guy, "Oooh, he's so HOT! I hope he's gay so he won't like girls and won't have anything to do with me so all my admiration will be completely WASTED on this guy!" I can ignore slash when it's guys I've never heard of, don't know from Adam's house cat(hey, some fanfic writers would probably make HIM gay, too, him AND his house cat), don't really care about and don't find especially attractive myself, but when it's a guy that I myself find "HAWT", it's like a rude slap in the face. If I find a male character attractive, and I read fanfiction with that character, I'm pretty much like most gals-I don't mind letting my mind wander a bit, and if this character is involved with a female, it's easy to me to identify with her and sorta be able to get with this guy, through her, if you know what I mean. I CANNOT, and I can't emphasis that enough, relate to another GUY, though, in that same situation, and it really "kills" the whole fantasy for me when someone takes a male character that I happen to find attractive, and writes him into a slash scene with another male; it's like they are saying directly to ME, "Now you can't even be with him in your dreams, b****, 'cuzz he doesn't even like chicks, and every time you even try to think about him you're gonna see him gettin' it in the *** by some other dude and lovin' it!" That is like the ultimate cold shower, right there. I can tolerate homosexuals, can respect them and accept them, but they do not "turn me on", so to speak. I'm not fascinated by any "alternative" orientations and the prospect of reading about or watching such an encounter doesn't "do anything for me", I guess you can say. pitbulllady Don't kill me, but....well, sometimes lately (NOT ALL the time though, thank goodness), I'm in a period where I actually LIKE the idea of Sullivan/Randall (though I don't like what I've heard about the choking art). I ADMIT it's weird, but, I just can't help myself.  . I also completely understand that you find him (Randall) attractive, pitbulllady, and for that, I'm really sorry about this. I will admit, though, that Mike/Randall is unlikely and just plain bizarre.  Also, if it makes anyone feel better, I'm not a fan of most slash myself (make that VIRTUALLY ALL slash), especially the ones that feature a guy getting pregnant (Mpreg). THAT is disgusting. |
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Post by mentalguru on Aug 27, 2009 10:19:58 GMT -5
Hey, you're allowed to ship something we don't!
My major obstacle is I can't see either of them with a bloke, that's all. And I kind of want them to be friends myself anyway. IF I could see them with blokes, they could do alot worse after all.
Not a fan of MPreg either- my male slash ship is Zuko X Aang from Avatar as already mentioned. (I also like the idea of it as one-sided though... from Zuko's end- it would be kind of typical of the guy to do that to himself and fall for someone who can't return it, with Aang so hung up on Katara in the show) I wouldn't call myself a 'yaoi fangirl' myself. Most slash ships confuse sometimes. Most of my ships are het.
So what interests you about this ship?
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 27, 2009 10:25:41 GMT -5
Sometimes I ask myself the same question.  I guess, aside from their physical appearances, they didn't seem excessively hostile toward each other (except, of course, until Boo gets involved). Sullivan offering a truce before scaring, to me, seemed to be suggesting that he wanted to at LEAST put an end to their hatred for each other. Hard to say what Randall's views would be, but, then again, he didn't seem to be that much into relationships in the movie, period. Still, I think Randall might have felt SOMETHING as well. Also, thanks for noticing that I don't like "ships" that get carried away into...well, you-know-what. |
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 27, 2009 11:56:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't call myself a 'yaoi fangirl' myself. Also, I feel it necessary to tell you: if you look to the left of my post, you'll see that I'm, actually, a GUY. This is not to say that I'm gay, however; in fact, in terms of my personal life, I think I'd rather remain single. |
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Post by mentalguru on Aug 27, 2009 12:23:35 GMT -5
Um, I never said you WERE a girl, I know you're male. I was referring to only myself. I think what I don't like is when people assume, if you're female and you happen to like a ship with two blokes, that thats the ONLY reason for it. For me it has to be believable in terms of how I view the characters orientation as well as whether their personalities mesh. Not to mention of course I tend to have to like the characters myself, or at least like one character and am able to tolerate the other. Of course there is also something to be said about 'messed up' relationships, for pure interests sake as well.
Sulley and Randall only really fit two of the criteria. (I think, if things had been different they COULD have been friends for one. Plus I like both the characters individually). However I genuinely don't seem either of them as interested in guys.
To be honest though, Sulley does strike me as slightly asexual, or as I mentioned elsewhere, at the very least I don't really like to think of the guy in that way too much. Randall is a little different in that respect, but yeah, I view him as straight.
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 27, 2009 12:35:27 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to say that you (hypothetically) like "slash" because you're a girl. Rather, I was protesting about the idea that all "slash" lovers are girls (again, not that I even LIKE most "slash"). Sorry about the misunderstanding though.
Anyway, I don't mean to "haunt" you, but, though it probably IS true that Sullivan and Randall are straight, we never know for certain. And, for some reason, I don't picture them possibly being interested in men other than each other myself!
Again, though, I just LIKE the idea (Didn't say "cute", pitbulllady), and I was even reluctant to post my opinion up here, what with what the people who HAVE posted have said.
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Post by mentalguru on Aug 27, 2009 13:07:00 GMT -5
Yeah. I've met some male fans of yaoi pairings who are straight too- so no fear. I know you're not alone. Most ARE female though, and sorry I do get a bit defensive over it sometimes. And its TRUE we never know for certain about those pair. It's just how I view them, and I could be wrong after all.
Feel free to post what you like about the ship here. Buts its fine to just like something just 'because' too. I like the idea of a FRIENDSHIP at least, so i'll probably agree with some of your points if you do want to talk about it a bit more.
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 27, 2009 13:11:48 GMT -5
Didn't expect you to reply so soon, so you can ignore my PM. It, indeed, seems to be almost universal that Sullivan and Randall have the potential to be friends. It's just a question of whether it can go further. In my opinion, I think it IS possible, especially considering that Randall has no one, even if he's not going to admit that he has no one. Again, sorry if this alienates others, though. EDIT: Also, in terms of how far their relationship WOULD go in my preference, anyone other than pitbulllady find the Randall/Sullivan fanart "all i'll ever need" on DA? That pretty much summarizes my position. |
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Post by mentalguru on Aug 27, 2009 13:24:19 GMT -5
Shipping can be a touchy subject for some. Shipping in some fandoms can be like a religion. As crazy as it sounds.
If you look at some of my earlier posts (not that long ago at all), I was actually pretty venemous surrounding the 'zutara' ship in the Avatar fandom in many places. I kind of wish I hadn't been, since someone was a zutara shipper here and they seem to have taken off. And I think it might have been my fault. But I'm not 100% sure. I think it was when they said 'kataang' the rival ship was one-sided and Aang was just an immature child that I saw red. It was mostly a back lash from the fact I've had many bad experiences surrounding the Avatar fandom to the fact zutara wasn't my taste, and although on some points, I was right I was pretty rude to be honest and that person seems to have left. I'm not sure if it was me, but it might have been.
But you're polite yourself, and as long as you don't say that your ship 'has to be!' and that other ships would never happen you're hardly going to be ostracised for it. So feel free to lay your love for your ship!
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 27, 2009 13:28:26 GMT -5
Though you probably still do not like the ship, I really appreciate that you're at least tolerating my opinion.  Not to say that I AM one of those pairing freaks, but, to me, it's sad that not many people can see what I can in Sullivan and Randall loving each other. Course, that might be due, in part, to the art that started this thread. |
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 27, 2009 14:33:17 GMT -5
I think that I actually brought this up here not long ago, since one of the Randall/Sulley "slashers" had just started a story on FF.net, which SEEMED to be promising, but I had a feeling that it was going to become a "slash"-fic. She never updated it, though, which is just as well. pitbulllady Considering that I like the pairing (sorry), I'm interested in the name of this fic, except if it's rated M. |
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Post by Hacked by Klepto! on Aug 27, 2009 17:23:12 GMT -5
I'm not all that into GuyXGuy stuff. But these two seem like they could indeed be great friends....Now, the question of whether or not they could be a couple....MY opinion is no, but that's just me.
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Post by sgtyayap on Aug 27, 2009 17:32:05 GMT -5
I'm not all that into GuyXGuy stuff. But these two seem like they could indeed be great friends....Now, the question of whether or not they could be a couple....MY opinion is no, but that's just me. I'm honestly normally not into gay pairings myself,...but this...this seems to be different. Also, thanks for not being shocked about it.  |
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. I also completely understand that you find him (Randall) attractive, pitbulllady, and for that, I'm really sorry about this. 
I guess, aside from their physical appearances, they didn't seem excessively hostile toward each other (except, of course, until Boo gets involved). Sullivan offering a truce before scaring, to me, seemed to be suggesting that he wanted to at LEAST put an end to their hatred for each other.
Not to say that I AM one of those pairing freaks, but, to me, it's sad that not many people can see what I can in Sullivan and Randall loving each other. Course, that might be due, in part, to the art that started this thread. 
