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Post by mentalguru on Jul 27, 2009 15:21:43 GMT -5
Just browsed on deviantart, and I tried to find some sulley art (only I didn't type in the 'e', since some people spell it differently).
Came across some Sulley and Randall slash fanart.
Reaaaally weird.
I mean I have SOME slash ships, but I tend to treat it just like het. Some I like, most indifferent, some just boggle the mind.
Honestly I see both of them as straight for one thing.
Of course my first reaction was to laugh outloud at it.
I don't view Randall choking Sulley as 'Hawt' or whatever. (I really don't think!)
But its STILL a better slash ship then what one of my friends came up with. Mike and Randall.
She is a sick, sick woman, but she's my friend all the same.
So your views?
I'm just wondering where it came from.
I could view them as friends in another life... but not... THAT.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 27, 2009 17:33:42 GMT -5
Just browsed on deviantart, and I tried to find some sulley art (only I didn't type in the 'e', since some people spell it differently). Came across some Sulley and Randall slash fanart. Reaaaally weird. I mean I have SOME slash ships, but I tend to treat it just like het. Some I like, most indifferent, some just boggle the mind. Honestly I see both of them as straight for one thing. Of course my first reaction was to laugh outloud at it. I don't view Randall choking Sulley as 'Hawt' or whatever. (I really don't think!) But its STILL a better slash ship then what one of my friends came up with. Mike and Randall. She is a sick, sick woman, but she's my friend all the same. So your views? I'm just wondering where it came from. I could view them as friends in another life... but not... THAT. I think that I actually brought this up here not long ago, since one of the Randall/Sulley "slashers" had just started a story on FF.net, which SEEMED to be promising, but I had a feeling that it was going to become a "slash"-fic. She never updated it, though, which is just as well. I also just came across a pornographic/hentai-style Randall/Mike fan art piece on DA, that burns my eyes just to recall. I'll be honest. I am NOT a fan of "slash", of simply making characters homosexual for the sake of making them homosexual. I guess that must be a young girl-teen or early 20-something-thing, and I am long, long past that age. I'm straight, I have no doubts that I'm straight, and I'm not ashamed of being straight. I have no problems with people being homosexual; you are what you are. I have no problems with there being gay characters in stories or movies or whatever, BUT I DO have a problem with what seems to be an obsession of so many young females of insisting that EVERYTHING but the kitchen sink in every single fandom MUST be gay, or at least bi! If the creators of a particular tv show, movie, book, etc. have a character who is gay, fine. If they simply leave enough evidence that most reasonable people will figure out that the character is gay, fine. BUT, when there is NO evidence at all to that effect, I don't see any point in trying homosexualize those characters in fandom. This especially makes no sense to me when girls who are STRAIGHT want to make every male character gay; especially if it's a character that they themselves claim to find attractive! I mean, doesn't that sorta defeat the point? I can just picture some young girl cooing over the cell phone about some guy, "Oooh, he's so HOT! I hope he's gay so he won't like girls and won't have anything to do with me so all my admiration will be completely WASTED on this guy!" I can ignore slash when it's guys I've never heard of, don't know from Adam's house cat(hey, some fanfic writers would probably make HIM gay, too, him AND his house cat), don't really care about and don't find especially attractive myself, but when it's a guy that I myself find "HAWT", it's like a rude slap in the face. If I find a male character attractive, and I read fanfiction with that character, I'm pretty much like most gals-I don't mind letting my mind wander a bit, and if this character is involved with a female, it's easy to me to identify with her and sorta be able to get with this guy, through her, if you know what I mean. I CANNOT, and I can't emphasis that enough, relate to another GUY, though, in that same situation, and it really "kills" the whole fantasy for me when someone takes a male character that I happen to find attractive, and writes him into a slash scene with another male; it's like they are saying directly to ME, "Now you can't even be with him in your dreams, b****, 'cuzz he doesn't even like chicks, and every time you even try to think about him you're gonna see him gettin' it in the *** by some other dude and lovin' it!" That is like the ultimate cold shower, right there. I can tolerate homosexuals, can respect them and accept them, but they do not "turn me on", so to speak. I'm not fascinated by any "alternative" orientations and the prospect of reading about or watching such an encounter doesn't "do anything for me", I guess you can say. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 27, 2009 19:35:27 GMT -5
The only slash I've seen on Deviant art, referred to a comic strip set made by the same person, contributing on valentines day or something similiar. In actuality it wasn't anything like...uhh...that choking thing you talk about...in fact it seemed innocent enough not to be considered slash as-such...but in any case...the pairing is certainly a sick idea... If someone WAS that way, they'd honestly show it. If not, definetly not part of them. Heck, Ran's straight, I would know. Of course he got serious $*@$(@ at, you may remember Pitbulllady, that guy all the way back who claimed Ran was...well..."that way". Of course his actions show he was hardly the judge of ANYTHING. Seems you gals don't understand everything about your own sex ^_- Then again neither do men and vice-versa... Maybe it's just a gitty equation. "Oooh I like this guy" + "Oooh I like this guy too" = "Lets put them together!". 0_0
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 27, 2009 20:19:28 GMT -5
The only slash I've seen on Deviant art, referred to a comic strip set made by the same person, contributing on valentines day or something similiar. In actuality it wasn't anything like...uhh...that choking thing you talk about...in fact it seemed innocent enough not to be considered slash as-such...but in any case...the pairing is certainly a sick idea... If someone WAS that way, they'd honestly show it. If not, definetly not part of them. Heck, Ran's straight, I would know. Of course he got serious $*@$(@ at, you may remember Pitbulllady, that guy all the way back who claimed Ran was...well..."that way". Of course his actions show he was hardly the judge of ANYTHING. Seems you gals don't understand everything about your own sex ^_- Then again neither do men and vice-versa... Maybe it's just a gitty equation. "Oooh I like this guy" + "Oooh I like this guy too" = "Lets put them together!". 0_0 I think that the person on DA was using that scene in the movie in which Randall was constricting Sulley as evidence that they were gay, because SHE happened to find something sexual in that situation, when it was really the total opposite. This is almost as bad as the Wilt/Eduardo 'shippers on Deviant Art, who insist that just because Wilt is actually NICE to people and helpful, that he must therefore be gay! There is this mind-set among a lot of young people, raised on those tv sitcom stereotypes, that straight adult males are loudmouthed idiotic, self-centered jerks, while gay adult males are sensitive, intellectual, kind and helpful, even if they do act silly. It's better to be silly and prissy than to be a big macho idiot, in the world of tv comedy. And oh, yes, how can I forget THAT guy? Bet he wished I'D never shown up on the old board, even though I never once said anything to him, directly. For those of you who are clueless, some background here: first, this is NOT the first Bogg's Board, or even the second. There's been at least two incarnations before this one. On one, the one that preceded this one, there was one openly gay guy who was absolutely in love with Randall, and he of course insisted that Randall was also gay. To each is own, I guess. I suppose that the same qualities that make Randall so attractive to a straight female must also make him attractive to at least some gay guys, and I can live with that. What I could NOT live with, though, was that the guy was extremely possessive of the object of his desire, and would absolutely GO OFF on any of the other fans, which were mostly young girls, if they mentioned anything about finding Randall attractive or "hot" themselves, or if they posted anything about Randall having a girlfriend at any point in his life, past, present or future. One girl posted some little short fanfic or sort of thing in which Randall met up with a young woman in a room where he was supposed to be Scaring, since she'd recently lost her only child and husband in some accident, and the two of them wind up hitting it off eventually...and this guy absolutely attacked her, calling her all sorts of horrible names, and causing her to leave. Many users left because of his tirades, because they were afraid that anything they posted would result in them being cursed out. To make things worst, there was this other girl who didn't even LIKE Randall; she was into Frieza(sp.?)from "Dragonball Z", and the only reason she hung out on the board was to follow this guy on the internet, because she was so fascinated/obsessed with gay guys, so she'd back him up and "snitch" on the other girls who posted anything that might remotely be construed as evidence of them finding Randall "hot" or wanting to pair him up with some female character, OC or otherwise. Well, I lurked for awhile, then decided to join up, and in my first post, I issued a warning of sorts, that I was NOT a little girl or a kid but an adult, an adult straight female who also happened to find Randall Boggs VERY attractive, and if anyone had a problem with it, that was just TOO bad! I was NOT going to be intimidated by some kid who thought that Randall was his own personal possession. Needless to say, the guy never challenged me or anything I posted. In fact, he gradually stopped posting in any section other than the Fanfiction section, where he'd post these borderline pornographic "love" poems to Randall, which were reviewed by the Frieza chick, who'd encourage him to keep writing them. He eventually stopped posting altogether. I guess he realized that he could not scare me into leaving like he did all those "tweenie" girls, so if he couldn't, he didn't want to be there. I strongly got the impression that he wanted to have the entire forum to himself, just like he wanted Randall all to himself, but what's the point in having a forum or discussion board if no one can post there but YOU? This guy was clearly used to intimidating these young girls, who didn't know how to respond to his attacks other than to leave. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 27, 2009 20:48:13 GMT -5
Oh...That. *blinks* Well I do recall from South Park that "choking yourself" is some people's way of getting high....apparently the person on DA was at the time 0_-
*folds arms* It couldn't be helped. *looks down* Regadless...we had...a loss due to it....
Ok Pitbullady, thanks for informing our...newbies...but lets not speak of Bran....him again ok...
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Post by pitbulllady on Jul 27, 2009 21:36:06 GMT -5
Oh...That. *blinks* Well I do recall from South Park that "choking yourself" is some people's way of getting high....apparently the person on DA was at the time 0_- *folds arms* It couldn't be helped. *looks down* Regadless...we had...a loss due to it.... Ok Pitbullady, thanks for informing our...newbies...but lets not speak of Bran....him again ok... YOU are the one who decided to mention him by NAME, not me. So what if they are filled in? It's not like some deep dark secret..."ooooh, we used to have a gay dude on one of the forums...don't tell anyone, OK?" I wasn't even the first to bring him up, either, by name or otherwise. I don't even care that he was gay; it was his treatment of the other members that irked me, and it really wouldn't have mattered if he'd been a female. I mean, I find Randall very attractive, but I don't jump all over anyone else who comes on here and says that they do, too. On the contrary, I find it somewhat of a confirmation of my own sanity that others do, lol! pitbulllady
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Post by invaderbecky on Jul 28, 2009 18:11:43 GMT -5
That guy sounds like an immature jerk at least he left. As for Sully and Randall, I do support gay parings, I support any paring usually straight or not, them I don't see it happening maybe as friends but that's it.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jul 28, 2009 18:42:52 GMT -5
Yes I know. The fact that he was has nothing to do with avoiding discussion about him...it's...something else.
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Post by Veg on Jul 29, 2009 21:54:22 GMT -5
I have a few slash pairings I support, but I won't support this. I just see them as rivals and that's about it.
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Post by randomdrifter on Aug 8, 2009 3:23:52 GMT -5
I think that I actually brought this up here not long ago, since one of the Randall/Sulley "slashers" had just started a story on FF.net, which SEEMED to be promising, but I had a feeling that it was going to become a "slash"-fic. She never updated it, though, which is just as well. I also just came across a pornographic/hentai-style Randall/Mike fan art piece on DA, that burns my eyes just to recall. I'll be honest. I am NOT a fan of "slash", of simply making characters homosexual for the sake of making them homosexual. I guess that must be a young girl-teen or early 20-something-thing, and I am long, long past that age. I'm straight, I have no doubts that I'm straight, and I'm not ashamed of being straight. I have no problems with people being homosexual; you are what you are. I have no problems with there being gay characters in stories or movies or whatever, BUT I DO have a problem with what seems to be an obsession of so many young females of insisting that EVERYTHING but the kitchen sink in every single fandom MUST be gay, or at least bi! If the creators of a particular tv show, movie, book, etc. have a character who is gay, fine. If they simply leave enough evidence that most reasonable people will figure out that the character is gay, fine. BUT, when there is NO evidence at all to that effect, I don't see any point in trying homosexualize those characters in fandom. This especially makes no sense to me when girls who are STRAIGHT want to make every male character gay; especially if it's a character that they themselves claim to find attractive! I mean, doesn't that sorta defeat the point? I can just picture some young girl cooing over the cell phone about some guy, "Oooh, he's so HOT! I hope he's gay so he won't like girls and won't have anything to do with me so all my admiration will be completely WASTED on this guy!" I can ignore slash when it's guys I've never heard of, don't know from Adam's house cat(hey, some fanfic writers would probably make HIM gay, too, him AND his house cat), don't really care about and don't find especially attractive myself, but when it's a guy that I myself find "HAWT", it's like a rude slap in the face. If I find a male character attractive, and I read fanfiction with that character, I'm pretty much like most gals-I don't mind letting my mind wander a bit, and if this character is involved with a female, it's easy to me to identify with her and sorta be able to get with this guy, through her, if you know what I mean. I CANNOT, and I can't emphasis that enough, relate to another GUY, though, in that same situation, and it really "kills" the whole fantasy for me when someone takes a male character that I happen to find attractive, and writes him into a slash scene with another male; it's like they are saying directly to ME, "Now you can't even be with him in your dreams, b****, 'cuzz he doesn't even like chicks, and every time you even try to think about him you're gonna see him gettin' it in the *** by some other dude and lovin' it!" That is like the ultimate cold shower, right there. I can tolerate homosexuals, can respect them and accept them, but they do not "turn me on", so to speak. I'm not fascinated by any "alternative" orientations and the prospect of reading about or watching such an encounter doesn't "do anything for me", I guess you can say. pitbulllady Early 20-something thing? If that's the case with all early 20-somethings, then I guess I'm the outlier in those statistics. Although same-sex romances are not up my alley, I think you're completely missing the whole point of "slash" and the erotic fantasy purposes it serves for a rabid crowd of fangirls who find more than one male character attractive. And behold! Slash is born. There doesn't even have to be any logic in an author's or an artist's choice in changing a character's sexual orientation if it floats their boat. I don't care for slash, but I won't challenge anyone else's right to fantasize about it either. Since I know I like my Randall straight, I'll steer clear of the yaoi section and leave it at that.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 8, 2009 18:48:48 GMT -5
Of course that is the most simple quation to "Slash" and glad the females approve hm hm hm.
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Post by mentalguru on Aug 11, 2009 10:34:40 GMT -5
What about yuri?
(Off topic)
When it comes to SMUT, I'll admit- I prefer 'het'. When it comes to all other interaction, I don't care if it is yaoi, yuri or het. It's the interactions I'm interested in myself.
Some couples have that 'chemistry' as well as personalities
For instance. Sulley and Randall or Randall and Mike do NOT have chemistry. Like Katara and Zuko of Avatar have no chemistry (in my opinion).
Aang and Zuko kind of do though. One difference Zuko has to Randall is that- Zuko comes across as 'gay' to me for a LONG time in the show. It's mostly Zuko's own fault. Although deep down I know he so obsessed with Aang to regain his honour... some of the things makes me go:
"Zuko... He's bloody TWELVE you perve. Then again, you're a clueless 16 year old, so I guess I'll let it slide. But are you even LISTENING to yourself?"
It doesn't help the (sad, so sad) fact, that even as enemies, Aang was the closest thing he had to a friend for a while.
When I found out Zuko liked girls, I actually laughed out loud, because it was so unexpected. Randall comes across as 'straight' to me. That's just how it went.
I like Aang and Zuko and their friendship in Avatar. I don't go for smut (for one thing, Aang is too young for that crap.) but little cute things are fine. Or I go for things which take place in the future.
I like to read fanfiction on Aang and Zuko, I just reallly couldn't give a damn if it's a friendship or romantic fic, that's all. I just like reading about them.
It isn't just the 'randy' fangirls, but there are people like me who are about interactions I believe. It's not about 'getting off'. It's just a different way of looking at a relationship.
I kind of resent the implication.
I just thought the idea of Sulley and Randall as hilarious, and I just wondered if anyone actually here shipped it, even if I don't.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 11, 2009 18:04:15 GMT -5
Think it's funny? 0_0 And YOUR the one doing a Ran/Boo relationship 0_-
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Post by mentalguru on Aug 12, 2009 16:21:13 GMT -5
It IS a little funny the ship though. Caught be by surprise is all. I'm more likely to laugh at a ship I think is silly rather than think of it as an insult to the character.
(Also on Boo/Ran- hey I'm displaying them as friends, I just really like the discussions of more as a possibility alot, cause it's interesting- and I'm keeping the story as being technically romance free now, so people can think what they want for the future. XD).
It's only if the shippers are a bit... well pushy (understatement) that I get a bit uppity. Shipping is suppossed to be FUN.
For instance, I don't care if people ship zutara. But Zutara (Zuko X Katara) fans who bash Aang... wooo, no way. I can't stand that. Ship zutara if you want but don't make Aang into a loser or psycopath. He's a good guy. Plus I hate it when some people try to make Zuko.... suave. Zuko isn't suave! He's a dweeb! That's why I LIKE him! He's the underdog in almost everything. He tries so hard, but in the end he's kind of a dork like Aang deep down. They're both AWESOME and they KICK BUTT! They give people the most trouble when they fight TOGETHER. But they're dorks. They're normal pre-teens/teens after all. In all its awkward glory.
I like their friendship so much- Zuko going from being exasperated at Aang's optimism to being all encouraging and happy and dorky around the a worried Aang in Fire Bending masters was pretty adorable.
Their friendship is amazing and epic, hence, I don't care whether I read romance (as long as it isn't smut) or platonic fics based on the two. I just really like them.
But, I don't see zutara in Avatar as lasting very long, if it did ever happen. Both are too competitive, and they both have bad tempers. They need someone who can help them calm down and not lose themselves to the temper. They can't do that for each other. They both have 'mommy' issues and feed and encourage their worst traits in one another.
((I've sort of cut off the Avatar story I have been writing for the M.I. one- in that Zuko and Katara are married... and are miserable. They've run out of arguments. And don't speak. They got married based on lust and are not happy. And there is one-sided Katara X Aang... from Katara's end. If I ever get that far anyway.))
They need someone to mellow them out- in this case, Aang or Mai. Who they themselves in turn sometimes need someone to 'push' them. Their dynamics work. Aang and Zuko friendship works for similar reasons to why Aang and Katara do.
Funny thing- a zutara fan on the net got me into Avatar, saying that Katara and Zuko would get together. 'An epic love story'. I honestly TRIED to see it. But couldn't.
All I saw was Zuko getting increasingly obsessed with Aang. You'd think a guy tying the girl to a tree would have shown chemistry. It sounds like it would on paper, at any rate.
But it didn't.
In the end, it was clear from Blue Spirit that it would be AANG's and Zuko's relationship which would bring peace. That Aang is the friend Zuko needed all along.
Back on topic- Basically, I can't see a Sulley X Randall ship. Concept makes me laugh. But hey if people want to ship it, I kind of want to know why.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Aug 12, 2009 19:16:33 GMT -5
*blinks and points to a certain topic* And apparently people do think 0_0
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