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Post by RandallBoggs on May 30, 2009 19:18:31 GMT -5
Randall...the walking Emotional Baggage ^0^ Sorry buddy ^_^
Which is one of the reasons I wasn't on board the Randall/Boo thing so much myself in writing, as I'm not much of a romatic 0_0....Though Ran does bug that I can be sometimes in my clever executions, but regardless I still don't think I can write romace 0_0........Then again...I haven't really tried 0_o
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Post by mentalguru on May 31, 2009 6:46:31 GMT -5
Romance is not my strong point either. I tend to write friendship fics. I think perhaps its ALSO partially because SO MANY fanfics write with pure fluff and romance all the time I just feel also like doing something different? So often platonic relationships like family/friends get sidelined. I tend to write platonic bonding fics partially for that reason- which can be taken as pre-romantic if someone wants to see it that way.
But the main reason is because I can't write smut/hot scenes/etc. LOL.
Also Randall IS an emotional walking bag right now- like you said. Which (like I said), will not be found to have some sort of conclusion towards the end.
He still has alot of pride (though he's BEGINNING to come to terms with that... sort of) and he's bitter and still angry with just a bit of guilt now. He has issues regarding physical contact... or ANY sort of contact for that matter.
Yes, right now Randall is a mess. And he's going to be a mess for a while. He'll slowly get over some things... but eventually he's going to have to overcome difficulties, some of which he created and will create for himself as well as due to the appearance of a certain furry monster.
Yeah. Randall's not in the best place for romance in the story, even if I COULD write it. Maybe some day but not in the events which take place in the story.
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Post by randomdrifter on May 31, 2009 7:00:42 GMT -5
Okay, how did I miss this thread? This is what I get for just hanging out in one section of the boards! I'd actually messed around with the idea of a fanfic a couple of times involving Randall trying to seek out this young woman he'd once been secretly involved with after winding up in her world, as he'd certainly need assistance and a place to stay. In my idea/plot bunny thingie, they'd broken up rather unpleasantly right before the whole thing started with the Scream Extractor, due to either his sometimes childish behavior, or both of them being too paranoid about this relationship being discovered(I shudder to think of what punishment might befall monsters who are caught having such a relationship with a human). Of course, neither of them realized at the time they last saw each other that that she was pregnant, and by the time that Mary was born, the woman had moved to a different city, perhaps to take up residence in her parents' old home, so that when Randall began keeping tabs on little Mary in preparation for using her as a "Guinea pig", he made no connection between her address and that of his former lover. Even the child's last name could have been different from her mother's, especially if her mom had met and married a guy with the last name of Gibbs(yes, that IS Mary's last name in the movie, too), or had lied about the last name of the child's father on the birth certificate. Upon finally reuniting with his old flame some two years or so after the movie's events, he would have discovered that she had a kid-THAT kid-and that the child he's so relentlessly tormented for many months, and very nearly could have wound up harming seriously, was actually his own daughter! Mary, of course, is too young, at the age of four, to understand such things, and is still angry with him and does not accept him at all, so that would be a real emotional struggle there if ever there was one, as Randall tries to come to grips with the fact that she is his own child, but that she hates him. Him trying to make ammends with her mother, while gaining Mary's acceptance and trust, would make for some major angst for sure, but probably also some real heart-warming scenes, too, eventually. Still, I like the idea of Randall x older Boo better, since their chemistry is just "there". Regardless of the nature of their relationship, it seems like those two were "connected" from the very beginning, before they even met. pitbulllady I'm a bigger fan of the Randall/Mary romance (You know, in case it wasn't obvious already!) and I agree that they've certainly got something going on, or at least, really have the potential to. I've gotten so used to that pairing idea and discussed it so many times, that portraying them as father and daughter just doesn't, and cannot, fit with me. But other than that, I think you know that I would be more than happy to read a Randall/human female romance, so I think you should go for it if you already have it planned out. Your idea for the story sounds really interesting and I can totally see it happening. (I shudder to think of what punishment might befall monsters who are caught having such a relationship with a human).Well, there you go. We finally found out what Bigfoot, Yeti, and Lock Ness had to do to get banished. ; ) On the topic of guys and 'ships' - I figured that aversion to these type of romantic relationships were most likely due to age. Although most romance fics do tend to be written by females, not all of them will agree with an other species/human relationship. Most girls would rather fantasize with Justin Timberlake or Johnny Depp. A younger fanbase doesn't quite grasp the reality of what romantic relationships truly consist of, and that they don't always have to follow the strict and boring guy-meets-girl story line, as almost ALL Hollywood movies tend to portray. Or maybe it's still such a novel and odd idea to imagine a romantic relationship between a human and a sentient, but non-human character that most young males, ever repelled by anything that is love and romantic (thank you, chick-flicks), will flinch at. Or gag. ; ) As for me, I'll be perfectly happy to ponder the "what-ifs" after the end of 'Connections' and to just let my mind have a field day. It's much more fun to discuss the possibilities, as we had done before during those times of desperation for something new on the fic! And yes, I think having a female OC as some type of leader would be appropriate, seeing as we've got more than enough testosterone already under the limelight. I'm a little relieved though that I wasn't the only one guffawing like an idiot about the "sausage fest" bit. I was worried that might say a lot about my maturity. It just totally caught me off guard, in a surprisingly good way. Edit: I don’t think smut or hot scenes would have even been necessary to emphasize the Randall/Mary romance. Plus, that probably would have changed the rating of your fic! So most of Randall’s problems will remain unresolved even by the conclusion?
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Post by mentalguru on May 31, 2009 7:39:31 GMT -5
It won't be as if when the ending comes it will be a 'neat bow' ending. Life isn't really like that. It will indicate strongly how things are going to play out for Randall and the monster-human relations, but if the reader wanted to imagine something different they could.
Randall still has issues to work out though, before he could even contemplate having a romantic relationship with ANY female though. It will indicate which path he'll take- but the reader can take that he eventually gets into a relationship with Boo a few years down the line or remains friends. Kind of like with Boo and Jack (his and her feelings will also be possible to twist into either platonic or romantic feelings, as the reader sees fit- could be seen as sibling-like or not- another reason I took down those 2 chapters of 'Life'). It will also even more strongly indicate what his interactions with Sulley and their experiences together and apart will result in for the pair in terms of their own relationship but in the end, that's for the reader to decide.
It's an ending, but an open one. I could certainly pick off from where I left off if I wanted. (Has already contemplated short stories and random one-shots which would take place later.)
Edit: But before they even get THERE, Randall and Sulley have issues, with eachother and regarding other things. I think it says something (not good) about me, by the fact these two are my favourite characters in the movie yet I seem so intent on torturing them in my fanfic.
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Post by pitbulllady on May 31, 2009 11:09:52 GMT -5
It won't be as if when the ending comes it will be a 'neat bow' ending. Life isn't really like that. It will indicate strongly how things are going to play out for Randall and the monster-human relations, but if the reader wanted to imagine something different they could. Randall still has issues to work out though, before he could even contemplate having a romantic relationship with ANY female though. It will indicate which path he'll take- but the reader can take that he eventually gets into a relationship with Boo a few years down the line or remains friends. Kind of like with Boo and Jack (his and her feelings will also be possible to twist into either platonic or romantic feelings, as the reader sees fit- could be seen as sibling-like or not- another reason I took down those 2 chapters of 'Life'). It will also even more strongly indicate what his interactions with Sulley and their experiences together and apart will result in for the pair in terms of their own relationship but in the end, that's for the reader to decide. It's an ending, but an open one. I could certainly pick off from where I left off if I wanted. (Has already contemplated short stories and random one-shots which would take place later.) Edit: But before they even get THERE, Randall and Sulley have issues, with eachother and regarding other things. I think it says something (not good) about me, by the fact these two are my favourite characters in the movie yet I seem so intent on torturing them in my fanfic. This is something we've discussed on here before, too-Randall's emotional issues and how they would affect a relationship with someone else, especially an romantic relationship. I have taught in public schools for almost 25 years now, and as a teacher, I've had to take many courses on human psychology and behavior, but more importantly, I've had the opportunity to observe, first-hand, the spectrum of behavioral issues played out in my classrooms. Based on that, I concluded a long time ago that Randall probably had no immediate family; either they were all dead, or he'd become separated from them somehow, physically and emotionally. A lot of Randall's behavior, seen in the movie, indicates that he probably spent much of his childhood and youth in foster care, and I believe that you, Mentalguru, picked up on that, too, since you did mention him having had a foster mom in your fanfic. While there are exceptions, people who were foster children tend to have difficulty with forging normal relationships later in life, due to their experiences in a less-than-stable childhood environment. Most foster children do not remain in any one home, with any one foster parent or set of foster parents, for long, but get shuffled around from place to place fairly often. As a result, they change schools often, too, which means that on a rather frequent basis, they are forced to leave behind whatever friends they've made and sever all emotional bonds they've formed, and start all over again. As was explained in a radio news report on adults who've grown up in foster care, these children eventually come to the conclusion that it's just not worth it to try and form such bonds between themselves and others, because the closer they get to someone, the more emotionally painful it is when they inevitably are separated, so they tend to put up emotional walls or barriers between themselves and everyone else. It's not uncommon for those barriers to include aggressive or antagonistic behavior, intended to scare away others, lest someone get too close. At the other extreme is very clingy, "needy" behavior, in which the foster or former foster child becomes overly dependent on someone, since they are afraid of losing them. They become controlling and suffocating, obsessed with where that person is and what is happening with them every minute of the day. This is exactly how I picture Randall in a relationship-once someone manages, in the immortal yet-so-eloquent words of Pink Floyd, to "tear down the wall", and get past the aggression and the emotional distance, they might well find themselves with a rather large, purple "shadow" attached, and find it very difficult to have any space of their own, without him either being right there with them, physically, or calling them every 10 minutes if they do manage to tear themselves away from him for awhile. He's going to be overprotective, not wanting them to have close association with anyone else, for fear of someone else getting between him and the object of his affection/obsession, and likely utterly paranoid about something happening to that other person. It's probably going to be way harder on the other person to cope with THAT phase than it was the aggressive, jerk-a** phase, and to ride it out, IF it ever completely ends. At some point, though, it's inevitable that Randall will have to open up about his past, because without knowing what he's been though, it would be difficult for anyone to fully grasp where he's coming from, behavior-wise, in order to come to some level of acceptance. That will take a lot of personal strength on the part of the other person to do that, and most(including, most likely, myself)simply would not have that sort of strength to deal with what at times can seem like a 12-foot-long adolescent child. It's really going to take more than just one person, no matter how strong they are, to bring Randall through this and instill trust in him, more like a network of close people, so that he can at least figure out that even though relationships with one individual will always eventually end, by the death of one if for no other reason, there are always others, and for him to conclude that the rewards of such relationships are worth the pain of their inevitable endings. pitbulllady
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Post by mentalguru on May 31, 2009 15:20:51 GMT -5
They do say certain things takes a 'village'- raising a child, helping someone overcome issues etc.
But ultimately it will be Randall's own decisions which he makes along the way which will form his future path. He will make mistakes along the way, as will others in the fic, but Randall will come to many crossroads he must make his own decision on. He'll make some horrible wrong turns at first though.
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 31, 2009 19:15:01 GMT -5
And when you think about it, friendships are similiar in commitment anyway. I mean if in a relationship way, can still be friends and be together and not be in the "bars" sorta speak of normal relationships.
Ugh, I don't even touch those. Especially when some idiot in the past DID do that to Randall and...I just...can't even get near that...
Some things can't always be fixed. Some things he'll have to fix on his own. *shrugs* Having a good friend is a good anchor...and I should know ^_^ But despite that, there are always nagging thoughts at the back of his head that still hurt.
*shrugs* Wouldn't really blame him. "I" was even a bit "HEY!" when Boo informed him she had take a sample of his blood without permission 0_-
Of course one thing to note is that it isn't JUST Sullivan that scrawed him over...
Maybe a sort of tease hehehe ^_^ ========================================================================== Let me think about that *thinks* Death or banishment maybe. Probably the later.
Joke or not...can you IMAGINE how Lock Ness could even....nevermind ^_^ Besides hehehe, I'm not sure if it's true...but Randall dropped me a note one time that Loch Ness is actually a guy ^0^ ----- *folds arms* Hey, us guys can be funny and emotional too ya know 0_- ========================================================================= Probably be a fairly good ending with questions at the end ^_^ Most of the main stuff is alright, but still some questions on small things I'm guessing ^_^
Like I've kept telling people before 0_- Ran does have allot to work out, even more so with the events that happened to him. *shrugs* Sure, he wants to have a family someday...but he doesn't want to get angry at like his kid or wife or something on some old anger fuse from the past or something...or have something that pops up to bite him in the tail later.
Oh please, Sullivan deserves the torture ^0^ As for Ran...well it follows him unfourtunately -_- ========================================================================= And either human or Mon, it's still going to be difficult... ======================================================================= Ironic...I just saw a pic of Randall at crossroads a few seconds ago....*looks at Pitbulllady and winks*
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Post by pitbulllady on May 31, 2009 20:01:15 GMT -5
I've been on that pic for the past two hours, actually ;D
As soon as I read that, I heard Robert Johnson's unmistable Delta Blues in the background; I've just been trying to find the right image. THE Crossroads-the one in Clarksdale, Mississippi, at the intersection of US Hwy 61 and US Hwy 49(aka "The Blues Highway", running north-south from New Orleans to Chicago), where Mr. Johnson allegedly sold his soul to the Devil in exchange for his guitar-playin' prowess-is now a modern, commercialized intersection, not quite what I've got in mind. It might take me a few days, given my schedule, but I'm on it.
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 31, 2009 20:04:37 GMT -5
Hm hm hm ^_^ Though like what I said in my statements...I hope Ran, in this comic-thing, DOES make the right decision...but doesn't get SCOLDED for it...
On it...?
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Post by pitbulllady on May 31, 2009 20:38:55 GMT -5
Hm hm hm ^_^ Though like what I said in my statements...I hope Ran, in this comic-thing, DOES make the right decision...but doesn't get SCOLDED for it... On it...? Yep. I've been sketching and composing this one long before your post, lol. I mean, I can't think of a better juxtaposition than Robert Johnson's music and Randall's entire life. I've just got to get the background right. It's NOT a comic, though, of that you can be assured. It's going to be very serious, probably in color. Mr. Johnson went down to the crossroads to sell his soul; Randall is going down to the crossroads to get his back. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on May 31, 2009 20:41:02 GMT -5
*blinks* I've heard of the crossroads before, but didn't know it actually had some sort of origin 0_0. Hmm...funny...there was a crossroads before oblivion...hmmm I should pic that...
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Post by mentalguru on Jun 4, 2009 14:21:25 GMT -5
-Is also hoping to see picture-
Yep, Randall is going to make mistakes.
So will Boo. Sulley is trying to correct HIS mistake- not to mention certain mistakes he's made since then. They're not perfect. None of them are.
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Post by pitbulllady on Jun 4, 2009 16:18:56 GMT -5
-Is also hoping to see picture- Yep, Randall is going to make mistakes. So will Boo. Sulley is trying to correct HIS mistake- not to mention certain mistakes he's made since then. They're not perfect. None of them are. And THAT is PRECISELY why your fanfic is way more believable than how Pixar is trying to portray these characters! THEY are trying to shove down our throats that Mike and Sulley are both absolutely perfect; they can do no wrong, make no mistakes, committ no sin, while Randall is the epitome of Evil, bar none. NO ONE is perfect. Every real person is flawed, greatly so. Some just do a better job of hiding it or compensating than others. I plan to get on that pic this weekend; I've got one more day of school to get through, and it's gonna be rough. I've already made a rough sketch, and I'm working on a backgroud, and I've already got in mind how I want it to look, the sort of imagery/symbolism that will be included. Speaking of pics inspired by your fanfic, I don't know if you saw this one or not: boggsboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=art&action=display&thread=1346Let me know what you think of it; I haven't even put in on DA, since outside the context of the story, most people won't understand it. pitbulllady
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Post by mentalguru on Jun 4, 2009 16:46:16 GMT -5
(Has just got back from that thread).
THANKS AGAIN FOR THE WONDERFUL FANART!
I can't get over the fact someone drew something for it! That's never happened to me before.
I've always loved how you drew Randall, and Boo was great in this too!
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Post by RandallBoggs on Jun 5, 2009 18:36:16 GMT -5
*laughs* Well the picture may take time ^_^ We've actually working currently on Dark Meridian, an actual place seen in Kingdom Hearts that's sorta "on the edge of darkness" ^_^
*shrugs* Who doesn't ^_^'
Really love the "sticking it to Sullivan" with Ran and Boo being on the same side ^0^ ================== Pixar is destroying their roots....or will with M.I. =================== Some people are inspired ^_^ A friend of mine actually did me two pieces for one of my original stories and I was just so flattered ^_^ It's good to see what you made being appreciated ^_^
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