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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 22, 2009 8:45:43 GMT -5
That is one great theory! I'd heard that Randall had been trained by Mike and Sulley, but now, it's just gone in a whole different direction with the phrase! Yeah! We know how annoying Mike can be when he doesn't get something he wants... UPDATE: You know, I just had a really weird thought... Would Randall be able to swim, and if he could how? Would he use his tail as a rudder or do some sought of doggie paddel with is feet ;D? Randall's tail is flattened laterally, which would indeed make it function well as a rudder. With his long slender body and that tail, he'd probably swim by simply folding his arms against his body and undulate from side to side, just like real lizards and snakes do, using his tail to propel him. He would not be as efficient a swimmer as most aquatic animals, though, since he lacks webbed toes/fingers, and with only three digits per hand/foot, as compared to five for lizards or crocodilians, even folding his fingers together wouldn't give him much a paddling surface. Randall's body and limbs, along with his tail, is really perfectly designed for climbing and leaping, more than anything else, and we've already seen how good he is at both. pitbulllady
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 22, 2009 16:30:09 GMT -5
Oh yeah, no question about his agility on the surface! Thanks for that Pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 23, 2009 19:50:51 GMT -5
It's probably why Wazowski stopped trying ^0^ Randall probably said at the start "...The only way you could scare a kid is if you turned inside out...care to deonstrate?" ^0^
Somebody did a scene with Randall swimming...think it was whomever made that story with Randall in college...or university I think...
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 24, 2009 15:06:22 GMT -5
It's probably why Wazowski stopped trying ^0^ Randall probably said at the start "...The only way you could scare a kid is if you turned inside out...care to deonstrate?" ^0^ Somebody did a scene with Randall swimming...think it was whomever made that story with Randall in college...or university I think... , your remeber that scene on the Scarefloor, where Sulley says "Of course, I did learn from the best." and Waternoose and himself starts laughing, that explains why Randall got so mad at them both! Only just realised that!
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 24, 2009 17:37:44 GMT -5
It's probably why Wazowski stopped trying ^0^ Randall probably said at the start "...The only way you could scare a kid is if you turned inside out...care to deonstrate?" ^0^ Somebody did a scene with Randall swimming...think it was whomever made that story with Randall in college...or university I think... Naw, if Randall was anything like y'all have described him in "Pinball Panic", I can fathom him saying anything like that, not to someone he probably barely knew at that time. I only have anectdotal accounts from people who own that game, but they describe Randall's demeanor as very patient and quick to offer support and praise, even when the player isn't that great. It's not like someone with that sort of personality to simply cut someone down at the very start, and discourage them. At the time that Randall had to train Mike and Sulley, there would have been no animosity between them; he would have had no clue at that point of Waternoose's plan, or that one of his trainees would later be granted unfair advantages over everyone else, Randall included, as part of the CEO's big picture. Randall has always struck me as someone who puts his all into a job, whatever that job might be, even when he was at his worst, personality-wise, due to stress. If that job was to train these two recruits to become excellent Scarers, so be it. Mike's failure was certainly not due to anything that Randall said or did, but rather because he simply didn't have it in him. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear, as the old saying goes. Mike probably also had an attitude that this scaly monster could not possibly teach HIM anything, and just as the attitudes of my own students often interferes with them learning anything in school, no matter what the teachers do, so it was with Mike. Many of my students, who are with one exception, Black, shut their minds and refuse to learn from me because I'm White, and they won't hesitate to tell me this to my face. I can see Mike having that same attitude upon discovering that a scaly, REPTILIAN monster would be his Scare Instructor, and consequently, winding up having to be a Scare ASSISTANT instead. I still am not sure about that scene on the Scare Floor, when Sulley and Waternoose are talking, and Sulley says, "I DID learn from the best". In that particular scene, it DID seem to imply that Sulley learned from Waternoose, since he goes on to describe the "Waternoose Jump-and-Growl", as if it were the inspiration behind his own technique. From that conversation, I can gather that the two of them have had a long-standing relationship, which apparently goes back to Sulley's childhood, so perhaps as a youngster he emulated the elder monster and was later encouraged by Waternoose to pursue a career in Scaring. Then again, by "the best", he COULD have been referring to Randall, and it could very well have been a rather snarky little private joke between the two of them, since Randall no longer WAS "the best", in terms of being at the top of the Scare Board. Which brings me to this: at the time that Sulley and Mike were trying to enter the Scare profession, Randall basically would have held the same position that Sheri Flint did in the movie. He must have been placed there after repeatedly topping the Scare Board and proving his value in that department, but this begs the question, WHY? Why not leave the best Scarer to do his job, to collect the most Screams, if Screams were so necessary and scarce? I seem to recall something from the Employee's Manual about Scarers having to alternate that work with something else, to avoid "burn-out" and hearing loss from being exposed, repeatedly, to high decibels and stress, but maybe I'm confusing that with something else. Was Randall placed in the Trainer position to give him a mandatory respite from Scaring, or was Waternoose already concocting his plan, and simply using Randall at that point to train his family friend, with the intent of having Sullivan top the Scare Board? That might explain SHERI'S attitude, too; she could have also been a Top Scarer at some point, then was taken off the Scare Floor for whatever reason to train recruits, a job she didn't seem to enjoy or be cut out for at all! She basically would have replaced Randall in that position, while he was put back into Scaring. Makes you wonder how THOSE two would have gotten along, doesn't it? pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 24, 2009 20:24:16 GMT -5
Waternoose's part in the past...is that he actually was the one who awarded Sullivan and Wazowski personally...but had no other involvement in their training. Randall did that. And actually Ran sometimes "kicked it up a knotch" in their training...
But that depends on if Randall had more of a past with them ^_- And if Wazowski was as racial basher as we see him, I wouldn't think Randall would take that *nods* Though yes, honestly Wazowski did NOT having scareing in him (strange how anyone who DIDN'T have scareing in them had comedian in the), and Randall honestly thought he should aim for something he COULD do. And perhaps THAT is the main cut Wazowski despised. And actually it makes sense even more so, since Wazowski USES Sullivan himself to try and beat Randall in scareing, thinking that if Sullivan beats Randall, HE'LL beat Randall....
The Waternoose Jump-and-Growl is actually one of the popular "techniques" that's in the Monsters Inc. handbook, as well as Randall's own...uhh...what was it...oh dang can't recall...I lost the book... *folds arms* While Sullivan intelligent wise is lower than Randall, he actually did get high scores in scareing, which probably surprised Randall who got higher or just-as-high scores himelf. So perhaps some of it came from his parents, and as such perhaps Waternoose knew his father and thus got to know the son. Calling Sullivan "James" is definetly NOT something I think a boss does unless to imply some sort of relationship.
Randall was actually offically a "Scare Veteran", thus Top Scarer, and was "on loan" to Scare Island, the site where Sullivan and Wazowski's training took place. So it probably WAS on Waternoose's suggestion to train someone "he saw fit to be trained by the best", little did Randall know it was "the son of a family friend". Though I think Randall would worry about his score and scream collection, though he could still probably do it at the Island perhaps, Waternoose probably suggested that it was a good way to avoid said "burn-out" and still "provide a service to the Scare Industry" *folds arms* Hmm...note that Roz had been investigating for 2 and a half years. That coincides with how long the training AND the scare career (short) Sullivan and Wazowski had, as well as the Scream extractor event. And in actuality...Roz was ALSO part of the training crew herself, having done the orientation and was in the main building. I don't doubt Waternoose was planning even back then, even if he was "letting his Top Scarer have a break". Though I doubt Sheri was a scarer, tehe, Randall may have had some inpact on her position. I mean she once punched somebody for doing a mistake ^0^ (something I doubt Ran would do), so perhaps they thought her being in "that sort of training position" was too much, thus leaving an open spot for Randall.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 24, 2009 21:01:37 GMT -5
Oh my mistake...Sheri actually WAS on the training crew! She was taking up a receptionist role at the main building on the island 0_0 My...does this mean the incompetant trainee was...*gasp* Mike Wazowski!? ^0^
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Post by ivyandbro on Sept 25, 2010 12:51:53 GMT -5
Hmm. For Mike, maybe all of his organs are at his back, bony limbs and feet, nerves all over. I've been thinking about where his rib cage would be. Maybe he has none? This description makes Mike seem so.. squishy.
I read the first half of the posts and I'm guessing that Randall is really smart, really REALLY smart. Scream extractor, hello. Of course he isn't considered the hero here. It's in the POV. Ah, let's base his SAS on his personified form. According to some comic book tutorial book my English teacher gave me [thanks btw] the villain stereotypes are: [the human kinds] >the big hulky always-pissed-off-at-the-world guy >normal build guy with lots of technology >computer genius with little build
Eh, back to human Ran. He seems the third kind, da? Pixar must've been using stereotypes >: Because according to the book, these types are generally weak, and thin but make up for their lack of strength and size with their super-intelligence.
Ugh, stereotypes. Yeah I know that this movie was made in 2001, and all, but Pixar? Come one >:
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Post by randyy on Feb 24, 2014 21:05:19 GMT -5
I posted to this thread this morning, and the post apparently completely vanished! Anyway, I guess that Mike is sorta like a "Pac Man frog", which is a species of frog that's mostly head and mouth, and you have to wonder where their organs are, too, but they do have 'em, somewhere behind that enormous mouth. As for the IQ's, I have to assume that the Monster World uses a different standard for measuring IQ than the one which has been used in the Human World since 1912, the Benet-Simon IQ Scoring System. Under that system, anyone with a score of below 70 is considered to be mentally retarded, which means that both Mike and Sulley would be considered as such under this system, and Randall would barely qualify as having normal intelligence. Sulley would, in fact, be considered severely mentally handicapped under the Benet-Simon System. While we often do joke about Mike not being that bright, neither him nor Sulley can be considered at all "retarded" or mentally challenged, although Sulley probably does have an IQ in what would be considered "low average", something that won't bode too well in his future as the CEO of a large company. I'd have to guess that an IQ of 70 on the monster's scale of IQ measurement would probably rank as genius, comparable to our scale measurement of 140, and it certainly comes as no surprise that Randall would be far more intelligent than either of his rivals; too bad he was so naive and easily manipulated. It goes to show that having a high IQ does not guarantee one's ability to think clearly in all situations. pitbulllady I REALLY dislike that fact that you are calling my second favorite character someone of "lower" intelligence.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 24, 2014 22:40:36 GMT -5
I posted to this thread this morning, and the post apparently completely vanished! Anyway, I guess that Mike is sorta like a "Pac Man frog", which is a species of frog that's mostly head and mouth, and you have to wonder where their organs are, too, but they do have 'em, somewhere behind that enormous mouth. As for the IQ's, I have to assume that the Monster World uses a different standard for measuring IQ than the one which has been used in the Human World since 1912, the Benet-Simon IQ Scoring System. Under that system, anyone with a score of below 70 is considered to be mentally retarded, which means that both Mike and Sulley would be considered as such under this system, and Randall would barely qualify as having normal intelligence. Sulley would, in fact, be considered severely mentally handicapped under the Benet-Simon System. While we often do joke about Mike not being that bright, neither him nor Sulley can be considered at all "retarded" or mentally challenged, although Sulley probably does have an IQ in what would be considered "low average", something that won't bode too well in his future as the CEO of a large company. I'd have to guess that an IQ of 70 on the monster's scale of IQ measurement would probably rank as genius, comparable to our scale measurement of 140, and it certainly comes as no surprise that Randall would be far more intelligent than either of his rivals; too bad he was so naive and easily manipulated. It goes to show that having a high IQ does not guarantee one's ability to think clearly in all situations. pitbulllady I REALLY dislike that fact that you are calling my second favorite character someone of "lower" intelligence. It is not just me; this is canon established by Disney/Pixar. Neither Mike nor Sulley are as intelligent as Randall, but you need to read THE ENTIRE POST! I PLAINLY stated that the IQ scores are different from the ones used here as standard in the Human World. pitbulllady
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