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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 17, 2009 20:10:51 GMT -5
The categorys are First Appearence, Hero Rating, Pride of Pixar, Size and Strength and Brains.
*nods* It's...Joy's. On RFU.
SEVEN? 4 for pride!? Well size hehehe ^0^ REMY? Near Ran's cool ^_^
Like said, at least they respected his intelligence.... ----------------------- Though I've never mentioned this before, I might as well say it. *folds arms* One of the Monsters Inc. cafeteria rules is "Chameleon Monsters...please don't leave without paying". Seeing as how Randall has a unique ability...well... ----------------------------------------- It's a pity that's world involved.
That's because they're consider a minority. I mean there is a certain species of reptile that was considered higher than "mankind" and was hunted simply to prove man's superiority.
I think the blood is basically the same. However, some might not exactly "bleed", for instance like the blob monsters we see. So I would think that yes, a majority of them that don't have a drastic physical change, have similiar blood, but there would be some variants that humans won't have. The only reason I put in green blood is so it doesn't scare youthful viewers 0_-
Only those two...?
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 18, 2009 15:53:15 GMT -5
Ok, thankyou for that . They seem to have more human characteristics than I originally thought, but they are related so I guess the only thing that draws the line is the varieties they can come in and the different abilities they can all have. UPDATE: I was just surfing around your old Randall Fans United website when I suddenly had a question pop into my head... Can Randall camouflage only certain body parts? Like for instance, one of his legs instead of his entire body? We see him only camouflage his whole body really. It looks to me that he can't camouflage his eyes, so he has to shut them and uses heat sensory, which would mean he'd have pits inbetween his scales right? I know this is a propety of a snake, but I thought about Randall using his tongue to smell... would that mean he would have a Jacobson's organ? I know he has tiny nostrils between his scales (after reading the thread discussing how he would sneeze), but I'm just wondering whether he would have the ability to smell with his tongue.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 19, 2009 20:10:01 GMT -5
For the first... I think Randall may have the ability to partly blend himself, though it probably would take more concentration than just his whole body. I haven't seen him do it rally...
He probably has both abilities ^_^ Probably another trait that shocked himself ^0^
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 19, 2009 21:36:16 GMT -5
Ok, thankyou for that . They seem to have more human characteristics than I originally thought, but they are related so I guess the only thing that draws the line is the varieties they can come in and the different abilities they can all have. UPDATE: I was just surfing around your old Randall Fans United website when I suddenly had a question pop into my head... Can Randall camouflage only certain body parts? Like for instance, one of his legs instead of his entire body? We see him only camouflage his whole body really. It looks to me that he can't camouflage his eyes, so he has to shut them and uses heat sensory, which would mean he'd have pits inbetween his scales right? I know this is a propety of a snake, but I thought about Randall using his tongue to smell... would that mean he would have a Jacobson's organ? I know he has tiny nostrils between his scales (after reading the thread discussing how he would sneeze), but I'm just wondering whether he would have the ability to smell with his tongue. Randall can only "blend", or change the color/patterns, of parts of his body that are covered with SKIN, since this is where the pigment cells are found. That's why, in the practice scenes, where he's "warming up" for the scare sessions, you can still see his eyes and teeth, since he does not have his eyes or mouth completely closed. Those parts aren't covered with skin, obviously, so if they're open, they're visible. Randall DOES have what appear to be infrared "pits" located between the scales on his lower jaw, just below his lip, much like a python has, though whether they are functional, or just vestigial, is not known. They would certainly assist him in located a human in the dark of a room, while his eyes were closed to allow him to blend. He does NOT, however, flick his tongue like a snake(or some lizards, mainly Monitors and Tegus), so he does not appear to use his tongue to "smell". He does not have a special notch or opening between his upper and lower lips(called an "operculum", by the way)that snakes and tongue-scenting lizards have, which allow them to flick their tongues in and out without opening their mouths repeatedly. Randall DOES have nostrils, visible in some screen shots, though they face backwards, indicating that he probably has no better sense of smell than we do. His forked tongue, again, is simply an atavistic trait left over from some distant serpentine ancestor, rather than a real useful survival trait. pitbulllady
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 20, 2009 3:17:02 GMT -5
Thanks . So more concentration can gain him the ability to partially blend. The only thing Randall can do with his tongue then is taste... Again, thanks for clearing this up.
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Post by lizardgirl on Feb 20, 2009 15:02:37 GMT -5
I'd say that's a pretty feasible idea, FONY. If the cells are damaged, they might be able to change colour but, as you said, not blend in the same way. Though at the same time, he does appear to already have scars before he's banished, and yet he still seems to be able to blend perfectly. So, I'm not sure. I'm guessing the scars he gets when banished are going to be a bit worse than the ones he already has, so it's still reasonable to assume that this would affect how those areas blend.
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 20, 2009 15:20:48 GMT -5
I'd say, if the tissue is damaged and scars over, Randall wouldn't be able to blend in the same way... It would have some effect on him, surely. He was whacked pretty hard .
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 20, 2009 17:26:03 GMT -5
I'd say that's a pretty feasible idea, FONY. If the cells are damaged, they might be able to change colour but, as you said, not blend in the same way. Though at the same time, he does appear to already have scars before he's banished, and yet he still seems to be able to blend perfectly. So, I'm not sure. I'm guessing the scars he gets when banished are going to be a bit worse than the ones he already has, so it's still reasonable to assume that this would affect how those areas blend. Glad I read your post, DinoGirl, before replying to FONY's post, since I was about to say that Randall had a lot of scars before he got illegally banished, although they all appear to be old scars, perhaps from childhood, and many actually appear to be "controlled" scars, those resulting from medical/surgical procedures, rather than trauma. Those types of scars appear to be less noticeable and gradually do heal better than untreated scars that result from injury, and it's the latter type that Randall would bear after his brutal encounter with the rednecks in the trailer. The scars he already had appear to have been made between scales, as if done by a surgeon who was careful to leave as little evidence behind as possible. I know that a good reptile vet in the Human World, like my own vet, does not cut or suture across scales, but in between, which such procedures are necessary. The scars on Randall's sides, over his ribs, especially, appear to have resulted from a medical procedure rather than an accident. I've seen similar scars on humans who've had to have multiple chest tubes inserted into their thoracic cavity due to collapsed lungs, either from blunt-force injury to the chest, or to severe pneumonia. For such scars, the damage to pigment cells would be minimal, but the same could not be said of a scar resulting from a serious injury, especially one left to heal on its own. It's hard to imagine that Randall could survive, at least without life-long physical impairment of some kind, without having had access to medical treatment, given the damage that a shovel can produce. He probably would have difficulty blending, if he could do that at all, not only due to the damage to his skin, but perhaps due to his ability to concentrate and focus on doing that. If the part of his brain which oversees that ability were damaged, and another part could not "take over" this function, his ability to blend would be lost, permanently. It's quite interesting that in the screen caps from the game, "Pinball Panic", Randall has additional scars visible on his body that were NOT there in the movie, and these can especially be seen clearly if you have a hi-def monitor. A couple of these I'm not sure about; they could be scars, or just chromatic digital aberrations resulting from the difference in the dpi of the original pic, and the display of the monitor, but one I'm quite certain is a scar. It's on Randall's right side(which means it's on the left of the image on the screen), right about where his last pair of ribs would be, and in the screen cap that you posted, it's just above the knuckles of the lower hand he's got propped against his side. It's a thin, blackish curved line, rather shaped like an upside-down "U". There's also a fairly large, irregular patch right in front of his left upper shoulder, just under his chin in your screen cap, where the scales appear to be missing, which closely does resemble a scar from an irregular laceration that has healed on its own on reptilian skin, the sort I see all the time on wild-caught snakes, resulting most often from violent encounters with defensive prey animals, or other predators, or from attacks by humans. Whether this is actually in the pic, or just that digital aberration, I don't know, but it was visible on my old computer before I got this hi-def monitor. There is also an area on the left side of his head, starting just underneath his front-most frond, and extending back behind his eye, where the scales are very different and rough-looking, roughly in the shape of a Nike "swoosh", with the upcurved part under that frond, though again, I'm not sure if it's actually in the pic, or results from the stretching of pixels. Other parts of the image aren't distorted at all though, but very sharp and clear, so it would be a mystery why those two patches of scales are altered and nothing else was, if this is just a case of digital distortion. Whatever that is on his head would certainly be consistent with a wound made by the slightly curved edge of a shovel, though, which makes me wonder just when that game is supposed to take place, in the "canon" time frame of the movie-before the events of the movie, or after, as most of the other Monsters, Inc. games are. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 20, 2009 20:18:58 GMT -5
In terms of blending...Randall got allot of hurt done to his head...as I would think any uhh....I'm sure PBL would scold me if I describe them wrong..."trailie" (heh ^_^ with an alligator in their home would most likely bash the more threatening part of them, which would be the teeth ^_^; Of course the blunt of the shovel would be used mostly, but the sharp side...well.... Ahem. Anyway. Randall wouldn't be in a good position today if he lost his ability to blend permanently. Sure, his concentration makes it so he can't properly do it the first couple of times and not for too long...*folds arms* Sometimes he's actually afraid that he just might not be able to click it on sometimes... As for the scar...like said, head wound. Scar might be visible I guess if it's deep, though Ran could put a hand over it... Difficult to tell when...though Randall had been pinball champion at M.I. since he was Top Scarer...
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 20, 2009 20:41:46 GMT -5
In terms of blending...Randall got allot of hurt done to his head...as I would think any uhh....I'm sure PBL would scold me if I describe them wrong..."trailie" (heh ^_^ with an alligator in their home would most likely bash the more threatening part of them, which would be the teeth ^_^; Of course the blunt of the shovel would be used mostly, but the sharp side...well.... Ahem. Anyway. Randall wouldn't be in a good position today if he lost his ability to blend permanently. Sure, his concentration makes it so he can't properly do it the first couple of times and not for too long...*folds arms* Sometimes he's actually afraid that he just might not be able to click it on sometimes... As for the scar...like said, head wound. Scar might be visible I guess if it's deep, though Ran could put a hand over it... Difficult to tell when...though Randall had been pinball champion at M.I. since he was Top Scarer... That's what I was wondering...is that game set in a post- Monsters, Inc. time-frame, as the inaccurately-named "Scream Arena" obviously is(a game in which Randall is very much alive and well, and once again working for the company), or is it set during a pre-movie time? I don't have the game, and have never played it, only seen clips and screen caps from it, so I don't know if there are any clues as to the time setting of the game. While a head wound scar would definitely correlate with the events of the movie, again-I'm not sure if I'm actually seeing a scar, or if it's just a digital "mirage" caused by a screen cap that probably was not that high-definition in the first place being displayed on a 23-inch high-def monitor. Sometimes doing so can distort images that weren't intended to be displayed that way. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 20, 2009 20:51:34 GMT -5
*folds arms* Randall is indeed very encouraging in the game as well...despite you being some-what competition for him...*shrugs* He wasn't so stressed when he was Top Scarer...so he was very different, allot better than he was later on. *scratches chin* If I recall correctly...the score just below Randall's is actually WAZOWSKI's...and given that Wazowski and Sullivan were trained by Randall himself, they didnt have TOO much time between the end training period and the time of the film. And seeing as how Wazowski, himself probably jealous of Randall's realtive success, would drive Sullivan to try to beat him. (Though Wazowski's comment "there's more to life than scareing" when Sullivan said he would go to the gym is strange...). Randall actually DOES blend in the opening at the end. And he does so perfectly, without any seemingly painful or stressed concentration....he...does however run into something on his way out, which turned out to be Wazowski. I'm unsure if this is a sign of loss in concentration on Randall's side...or merely the fact that Wazowski was too small for him to see ^0^ His voicing is also more relaxed... If I had to bet...this takes place between when Sullivan and Wazowski begin working till the film...pretty sure it is. Would go with the timing too...
Scare Island...Pinball Panic...The Film...Scram Arena.
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 21, 2009 3:57:58 GMT -5
Yes, those games must take place before the film. I've been playing Scare Island alot recently and well, that's right at the beginning, when Mike and Sulley are training up to be scarers. That all explains why he can blend so well before the movie.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 21, 2009 20:18:28 GMT -5
And since Scare Island is canon, Randall offically trained Sullivan and Wazowski...a fact many don't know.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 21, 2009 21:19:52 GMT -5
And since Scare Island is canon, Randall offically trained Sullivan and Wazowski...a fact many don't know. Just thinking...that might partially explain the "bad blood" between them(along with the perks that Sullivan and Wazowski were constantly receiving from Waternoose, while Randall got zilch)...we know that Randall does not handle failure too well, and let's face it, trying to train Mike Wazowski to be a Scarer is like trying to teach a pig to sing opera! Talk about a lost cause! Randall must have gotten awfully frustrated, even given that calm, patient demeanor everyone mentions on "Pinball Panic", trying to teach the Green Eyeball to scare ANYTHING! pitbulllady
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 22, 2009 3:39:44 GMT -5
That is one great theory! I'd heard that Randall had been trained by Mike and Sulley, but now, it's just gone in a whole different direction with the phrase! Yeah! We know how annoying Mike can be when he doesn't get something he wants... UPDATE: You know, I just had a really weird thought... Would Randall be able to swim, and if he could how? Would he use his tail as a rudder or do some sought of doggie paddel with is feet ;D?
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