DinoGirl
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 14, 2009 5:55:26 GMT -5
Ok, I think I've said about this before in another thread.... but what the heck.
Wouldn't you think that Mike is lacking some organs we might have? It is very strange to think that every organ would be packed into his very small body. The same goes for the other small monsters like Fungus. There faces nearly take up all of the space! Or... there organs could be small, which would explain Mike's intelligence level ;D.
One thing that frustrates me on that subject, is the new Pixar Top Trumps I recieved for Christmas. His intelligence is higher than Sulley's which was around 44! Mike's was around 60! At least Randall was in the 70's, although I think that should be higher...
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 14, 2009 21:48:04 GMT -5
I posted to this thread this morning, and the post apparently completely vanished! Anyway, I guess that Mike is sorta like a "Pac Man frog", which is a species of frog that's mostly head and mouth, and you have to wonder where their organs are, too, but they do have 'em, somewhere behind that enormous mouth.
As for the IQ's, I have to assume that the Monster World uses a different standard for measuring IQ than the one which has been used in the Human World since 1912, the Benet-Simon IQ Scoring System. Under that system, anyone with a score of below 70 is considered to be mentally retarded, which means that both Mike and Sulley would be considered as such under this system, and Randall would barely qualify as having normal intelligence. Sulley would, in fact, be considered severely mentally handicapped under the Benet-Simon System. While we often do joke about Mike not being that bright, neither him nor Sulley can be considered at all "retarded" or mentally challenged, although Sulley probably does have an IQ in what would be considered "low average", something that won't bode too well in his future as the CEO of a large company. I'd have to guess that an IQ of 70 on the monster's scale of IQ measurement would probably rank as genius, comparable to our scale measurement of 140, and it certainly comes as no surprise that Randall would be far more intelligent than either of his rivals; too bad he was so naive and easily manipulated. It goes to show that having a high IQ does not guarantee one's ability to think clearly in all situations.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 14, 2009 22:19:53 GMT -5
So I guess it could be assumed that Monstropolis goes on a half scale with IQ ^_^
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 15, 2009 3:05:06 GMT -5
I always wondered about that. He's mostly eyeball ... but if you notice, when he stands in profile-view - he's got a sort of hump behind him. Perhaps that's where most of his organs are. xD Lol, that's probably where they are ;D. A 'PacMan' frog... that explains his relatives. His organs can't be in the same position as ours. It's just so confusing to think about Mike's body system ;D. Hmm... So monsters intelligence levels are not considered to exceed ours? Right. I would think some of that would depend on the size of the monsters brain... but not always. Like I said above, wouldn't Mike's brain be small? Randall looks like to have a relatively medium sized brain, which extends longer. Sulley's looks like to have a medium or large brain... I'm not all to sure on this
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 15, 2009 8:58:07 GMT -5
I always wondered about that. He's mostly eyeball ... but if you notice, when he stands in profile-view - he's got a sort of hump behind him. Perhaps that's where most of his organs are. xD Lol, that's probably where they are ;D. A 'PacMan' frog... that explains his relatives. His organs can't be in the same position as ours. It's just so confusing to think about Mike's body system ;D. Hmm... So monsters intelligence levels are not considered to exceed ours? Right. I would think some of that would depend on the size of the monsters brain... but not always. Like I said above, wouldn't Mike's brain be small? Randall looks like to have a relatively medium sized brain, which extends longer. Sulley's looks like to have a medium or large brain... I'm not all to sure on this Brain size has little to do with intelligence. Sulley has a large head, which would mean he's got a large brain, probably larger in proportion to his size than that of a human would be, yet he's the least intelligent of the three. Still, he's not stupid by any means, just average, which would put him at a disadvantage in the corporate business world. Think of two CEO's here in OUR world who come to mind, like oh, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs...not exactly dummies, those two. I'd assume things would be the same in the Monster World, with corporations being run by very smart people. I also never said that monster IQ could not exceed or equal that of humans. Obviously it does. Randall, and most certainly Fungus as well, would probably rate as geniuses in our world, if they were to take a test using the same standard IQ measurement that has been in use here since 1912. However, monsters apparently do not use that same scale, but probably have a system based on a possibly highest score of 100, so that the closest you get to 100, the higher the IQ. That would put those monsters in the 40-60 range as "low average to high average" on a bell curve of normalcy, which is actually a system that's been proposed for testing human IQ here, since it's easier to comprehend and visualize than the old Benet-Simon test. pitbulllady
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 15, 2009 12:28:26 GMT -5
Oh, thanks for clearing that up for me. I wasn't all to sure to begin with when I wrote my reply but I understand now . I've just had a weird question come to mind... would you think that monsters would have appendixes? I'm not particularly sure on the answer to that, so I'd thought I'd ask.
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Post by lizardgirl on Feb 16, 2009 11:50:48 GMT -5
Under that system, anyone with a score of below 70 is considered to be mentally retarded, which means that both Mike and Sulley would be considered as such under this system, and Randall would barely qualify as having normal intelligence. pitbulllady Sorry, just completed LOLed at that sentence. Anyway, you've got Pixar Top Trumps? Seriously? What are the other stats for Randall, Mike and Sulley respectively? And in this case, in concerns to the IQ thing, I'm thinking that the numbers are probably out of 100 (as the Top Trumps cards usually are) as opposed to actually having any real life value, if you see what I mean. And as for Mike and Fungus' organs, they're probably arranged in a very compact, strange sort of way. I mean, we never see any of their, um, 'manly' organs so I'm guessing that they were designed without much thought for this.
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 16, 2009 12:47:56 GMT -5
Yep, seriously . When I first heard about them, since I had an account on Top Trumps UK, I went looking for them in the now deceased Woolworths . But I didn't find them. So, I waited until Christmas and I got them ;D. They should be in shops. Since you wanted the stats, I had to go and fetch the cards from my room, but no probs with that . Here they are: The categorys are First Appearence, Hero Rating, Pride of Pixar, Size and Strength and Brains. Randall: FA: 2001 HR: 1 ( ) POP: 2 SAS: 72 B: 70 Sulley: FA: - HR: 9 (it would be ) POP: 5 SAS: 99 (The largest is Mack from Cars with 100) B: 48 Mike: FA: - HR: 7 POP: 4 SAS: 69 (HARDLY!) B: 65 ( ) There are quite alot of cards in there, including characters like WALL-E, Remy, Lightning McQueen ect. The only other MI character in the pack is Boo . The cards are out of 100 (excluding the First Appearence category). Manly organs ;D. I always thought monsters were strutured around animals, so I would have thought they would have something similair to a *ahem* (embaressing ) cloaca. I wouldn't have thought Pixar would give a think about the organs inside the body, unless, they did something similair to what they did in Disney's Dinosaur... where they layed a skelington and muscle system underneath the characters skin.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 16, 2009 17:08:25 GMT -5
Yep, seriously . When I first heard about them, since I had an account on Top Trumps UK, I went looking for them in the now deceased Woolworths . But I didn't find them. So, I waited until Christmas and I got them ;D. They should be in shops. Since you wanted the stats, I had to go and fetch the cards from my room, but no probs with that . Here they are: The categorys are First Appearence, Hero Rating, Pride of Pixar, Size and Strength and Brains. Randall: FA: 2001 HR: 1 ( ) POP: 2 SAS: 72 B: 70 Sulley: FA: - HR: 9 (it would be ) POP: 5 SAS: 99 (The largest is Mack from Cars with 100) B: 48 Mike: FA: - HR: 7 POP: 4 SAS: 69 (HARDLY!) B: 65 ( ) There are quite alot of cards in there, including characters like WALL-E, Remy, Lightning McQueen ect. The only other MI character in the pack is Boo . The cards are out of 100 (excluding the First Appearence category). Manly organs ;D. I always thought monsters were strutured around animals, so I would have thought they would have something similair to a *ahem* (embaressing ) cloaca. I wouldn't have thought Pixar would give a think about the organs inside the body, unless, they did something similair to what they did in Disney's Dinosaur... where they layed a skelington and muscle system underneath the characters skin. There's NO WAY that Sulley could compare in Size and Strength-especially strength-to Bob Parr, aka "Mr. Incredible"! I'd wager that Buddy Pine, aka "Syndrome" would rate a 100 on the IQ trump, too, highest possible, and would probably score somewhere around 200 or better on a Benet-Simon IQ test, ranking him as a true super-genius. That still doesn't mean that Buddy would know how to work a manual pencil sharpener, though, and he'd probably starve to death if figuring out a manual can opener meant the difference between eating or not eating! Some folks are just too brainy for their own good, and don't have a shred of common sense, and Buddy strikes me as being one of just such folks. I've got to strongly object to Mike and Sulley's "Hero Rating" being so high. Like I've said on Pixar Planet, real heroes don't get revenge on people. Real heroes are above that childish "get-even-with-em'ism" garbage. As for "manly organs", most male animals, whether mammal or whatever, keep those neatly tucked inside their abdominal cavities except when in actual use, making it often difficult to distinguish genders except by secondary sex characteristics, like brighter colors or or horns or whatnot. As a Cajun friend of mine once explained to a tourist who wanted to know how he could tell a male from a female alligator, when the male's you-know-what wasn't normally visible, "if you gotta fine tool, you wanna keep it in a shed, n'est pas?" This would probably be the case with both Mike and Randall(given that the rest of Randall's physiology tends to lean more towards the mammalian, rather than reptilian, side of things), while with Sulley all that hair serves the same basic purpose as clothing does in humans, not only insulating him from the elements, but covering parts best left unseen as well! I guess a lot of folks assume that if everything's not up-front and visible, as would be the case with an unclothed human male, then it just doesn't exist, period, when in fact human males are rather unique in that respect, and share that particular trait with only a few other animals. pitbulllady
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Post by lizardgirl on Feb 16, 2009 18:09:17 GMT -5
Thanks, DinoGirl! Those Top Trumps are pretty interesting, even if they are wrong on many levels. :lol: Size and Strength for Mike being only three less than Randall? I sense fail. But it's cool that Randall's intelligence is acknowledged as being higher than Mike and Sulley's. When I tell people that I think Randall's pretty brainy, most just can't see it though it's obvious he has to have some brains to have built the SE! Also rather pleased that Mike's hero rating is a bit lower than Sulley's (though neither of them are 'heroes' as such) but it's not really low enough considering Mike spent most of the film trying to dump Boo in any way possible. Thanks once again for typing those stats out! And as for those 'manly organs' (why did I use that phrase in the first place? :lol:) I guess my main point is that there's no hint of them whatsoever. I mean, I can understand them being, uh, tucked away as pitbulllady pointed out, but surely if Monsters were real then there'd be some sign of them? I know Pixar do like to think things through but when it came to the design of the Monsters, I'm pretty sure they thought things out in terms of what would work for the film (like getting rid of the idea of Sulley wearing glasses because it'd be more difficult to gauge his emotions) as opposed to what would work if the Monster world were real.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Feb 16, 2009 20:17:10 GMT -5
Well Wazowski is mentally retarted since he doesn't think about other's feelings but his own ^0^
Thought it was either half-normal or out of 100 ^_^ Everyone note that it's 70 at the time of the film ^_- And since geniuses need an alleged freedom, Randall's is proposedly higher ^_- --------- WAZOWSKI? SIZE AND STRENGTH NEAR RANDALL? YEAH RIGHT 0_- Wazowski's smart....a smart-#**# that is ^0^
Oooh what's Remy's? ^_^
Actually someone did do a skeleton version of Randall for anatomy drawing.... --------------- *nods* Though Sullivan would be close to Bob in this department, Mr. Incredible certainly beats the furrug in the "boss multi-wall bash throw" competition ^0^
Least they were surprisingly fair to point out Sullivan is a below-average intellegence 0_-
LADIES...PLEASE ^0^
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 17, 2009 4:05:58 GMT -5
Thanks for that answer Pittbulllady . I just think Pixar never really gave it a thought since this film was aimed at children. I remember seeing that skelington drawing somewhere. Can't remember where though. Right on the nail head with that comment on Wazowski's 'intelligence'. Okey dokey. Off I go to fetch them again ;D. Here's the stats: Remy: FA: 2007 HR: 7 (Should be higher !) POP: 4 SAS: 20 (The smallest is Princess Atta with 14) B: 71 I agree with you on Sullivan's strength! There's no way I think he would be stronger than a 6 tonne truck! Mr Incredible... well, let's just say he should be up top instead. Randall's card description is a little unsatisfying: 'Even his Monsters Inc. co-workers are scared of Randall and his chameleon abilities. One of the most diabollical monsters in Monstropolis, his plan to capture the all-time scarer record only scratches the surface of his much more sinister agenda...' There's nothing new on there interpretation on Randall . He is definatly not sinister.
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 17, 2009 6:09:45 GMT -5
Thanks for that answer Pittbulllady . I just think Pixar never really gave it a thought since this film was aimed at children. I remember seeing that skelington drawing somewhere. Can't remember where though. Right on the nail head with that comment on Wazowski's 'intelligence'. Okey dokey. Off I go to fetch them again ;D. Here's the stats: Remy: FA: 2007 HR: 7 (Should be higher !) POP: 4 SAS: 20 (The smallest is Princess Atta with 14) B: 71 I agree with you on Sullivan's strength! There's no way I think he would be stronger than a 6 tonne truck! Mr Incredible... well, let's just say he should be up top instead. Randall's card description is a little unsatisfying: 'Even his Monsters Inc. co-workers are scared of Randall and his chameleon abilities. One of the most diabollical monsters in Monstropolis, his plan to capture the all-time scarer record only scratches the surface of his much more sinister agenda...' There's nothing new on there interpretation on Randall . He is definatly not sinister. More of the same-old, same-old...it wasn't RANDALL'S agenda in the first place, NOR was the Scream Extractor part of Randall's desire to "capture the all-time scarer record"...he even says so himself. So WHAT if he wanted to be the best? It's ironic that as I type this, the local news is running a segment on how to avoid a lay-off in tough financial times like what we're currently experiencing, and like what Monstropolis was experiencing at the time of the movie. One of the things their expert suggested was to "give it your best, act like you want to be tops at what you do". So, Randall gets condemned for doing just THAT? Also, that statement about the other employees being "scared of Randall and his chameleon abilities" DOES make a really strong case for Randall having been the victim of some form of monster racism; Randall's ability to blend in with his background made him different from everyone else, along with his scaly appearance. The other monsters didn't understand that ability, so it seemed unnatural to them, and therefore scary. That is EXACTLY the basis of racism and prejudice-people are scared of others whom they perceive as "different", and fear quickly segues into hatred. I doubt that the workplace was the first place Randall had encountered that attitude, either, so it's little wonder that he'd developed an attitude of his own to counter it. It was either that, or just totally give up and cower down to the hate directed at him like a beaten dog. pitbulllady
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Post by DinoGirl on Feb 17, 2009 16:17:15 GMT -5
Too right. I'm sure everybody is sick of these repeated statements on Randall's appearing agenda, when really they don't look in deep enough to find the roots of the character. I suppose monsters hate differences. They'd rather see everybody being the same as them. Have you seen how many monsters look exactly like Bob Peterson?! And the assitant with the crabby legs (don't know the name )! He's multiplying and fast at that! They might be brothers or something, but I never see any reptilian monsters other than Randall during the movie, so I can see why they view him differently. It's not a daily basis for them to see many monsters like Randall. Oh, I also wanted to ask about monster blood... would it be nearly exactly like our blood? Like colour wise (inside the body, as I remember our blood is blue until it's hits oxygen) or thickness?
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Post by pitbulllady on Feb 17, 2009 16:42:28 GMT -5
Too right. I'm sure everybody is sick of these repeated statements on Randall's appearing agenda, when really they don't look in deep enough to find the roots of the character. I suppose monsters hate differences. They'd rather see everybody being the same as them. Have you seen how many monsters look exactly like Bob Peterson?! And the assitant with the crabby legs (don't know the name )! He's multiplying and fast at that! They might be brothers or something, but I never see any reptilian monsters other than Randall during the movie, so I can see why they view him differently. It's not a daily basis for them to see many monsters like Randall. Oh, I also wanted to ask about monster blood... would it be nearly exactly like our blood? Like colour wise (inside the body, as I remember our blood is blue until it's hits oxygen) or thickness? Most monsters would probably have blood typical of vertebrates in our world(including us), which would mean that it relies on an iron-based chemical reaction to acquire oxygen from the lungs, and transport it to tissues, and to pick up carbon dioxide from tissues and transport it back to the lungs for exhaling. That iron-based chemical is hemoglobin, which gives the blood of most vertebrates its reddish coloration. The atmospheric gas ratio must be virtually identical in both the Monster World and the Human World, otherwise monsters could not survive in our world, nor could Boo have survived in THEIRS. Complex organisms would need pretty much the same system to process and transport necessary components of that atmosphere in each dimension, so monster blood would look like ours. In the screen cap you posted, on my high-definition 23-inch monitor, you can actually see the fine lines of blood vessels in the "white" parts of Randall's eyes, and those lines are red, just like what you see in your own eyes if you look closely in a mirror, so Randall, at least, definitely has red blood just like ours, not some weird color as some fanfic writers have assumed. Blood, and its consistency and color, is directly correlated to the atmosphere from which that organism obtains its primary life-sustaining gas, in this case, oxygen, so if the oxygen ratio in the air of the Monster World is the same as ours, they'd need to have the same basic sort of blood that we have. The only known vertebrates in our world which do NOT have red blood, but have a copper-based blood, which is dark GREEN, are a small lizard and a bird, both native to the island of New Guinea. Their blood is also highly toxic to other animals, which know not to eat them, and in the bird, this toxin is excreted through its skin and feathers, as well. Just why those two animals, on that particular island, share this odd feature is not known. pitbulllady
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