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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2006 17:34:54 GMT -5
Guess he wants to compare human world knowledge...or just wants to learn a few things...
Asks me to go back? That's impossible. He never asked me that....or gives me a choice.
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Post by nauticusvergil on Mar 15, 2006 17:36:48 GMT -5
I know that, he forces you to go back, BUT he asks you 3 times, say no 3 times. Did you get Elenor's Mag to evolve 3 times btw?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2006 17:39:44 GMT -5
He doesn't ask me...
Well uhh....no..... I knew there was something with it, because when I left the doctor and Eleanor, it moved, then again after he talked with Eleanor about the baby Mag.... Is there a last step here? (Does it have to do with those three computers you can look at?)
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Post by nauticusvergil on Mar 15, 2006 17:42:14 GMT -5
Yeah, he'll only ask you if you got the Mag to evolve 3 times.
How many times did you get it to evolve?
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2006 17:43:42 GMT -5
Well I don't know really.... You can tell from the message "The Mag Moved" right? Only twice it moved. The first time when I left the Doctor and Eleanor, then after their discussion about Eleanor's baby.
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Post by nauticusvergil on Mar 15, 2006 17:48:50 GMT -5
Okay it moved twice, did you follow Ult afterwards? You unlock some doors and move past some security, blah blah blah, then IF you did the Sue thing I told you about correctly before, Doc and Elenor will move down to the mines.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2006 17:51:44 GMT -5
But how? In order to do this, I need to tell Sue my name, then complete the WHOLE game so I could go back to Waterfall Tears and face Kireek.... Errmm...
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Post by nauticusvergil on Mar 15, 2006 17:53:09 GMT -5
ahah, just tell her your name, if you dont' want the weapon but the ending, you'll have to make some sacrifices.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2006 17:56:23 GMT -5
So... Tell Sue name... Waterfall Tears Black Paper In the Depths Soul of Steel
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Post by nauticusvergil on Mar 15, 2006 17:58:54 GMT -5
Sort of, here
Now before you play this quest you need to have played through the SUE storyline and finished all quests. This is what you need to have done to see the full ending (and in the same difficulty level)
1) When doing the quest, "Dr. Osto's Research", tell SUE your name, (this means you can't now get the Soul Eater in this difficulty).Then complete the quest.
2) In the quest "Unsealed Door" first talk to Bernie, then find SUE, and talk to her. Then go back to the beginning of Mine 2 and talk to Bernie again. Choose to tell him what SUE told you. Complete the quest.
3) Now do "WaterFall Tear", first speak to Sue on Pioneer 2 and ask her about Black Paper. Now in the caves you will have to find Bernie. Talk to him, and complete the quest.
4) Go and do "Black Paper". First talk to Sue on Pioneer 2, it doesn't seem to matter what you ask her. Then go to the caves and Bernie should be in the middle of nowhere, waiting for you. Talk with him, and finish the quest.
5) Do the Quest "Docs Secret Plan".
Now when all quests are done, you should choose to do Soul of Steel in the same difficulty mode you did the above "SUE" events. Also while playing Soul of Steel you must also get the MAG you are given to "move" three times as you go through the Mines, after all this you can get the extra, proper ending.
figured I'd just give it to you straight out of the walkthrough ^_^
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2006 18:04:41 GMT -5
JUST in the mines right? But which place are where it activates? I know two. One leads you to finding Ult's circle, and the second is after the discussion Montague and Eleanor have. But what is the third and final switch though?
As far as I know, Bernie is only seen in the mission where you provide the electrical box to Eleanor.
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Post by nauticusvergil on Mar 15, 2006 18:06:27 GMT -5
this is from RIGHT after the Mag moves for the second time.
You can go talk to them or carry on looking for Ult.
You'll encounter Ult. Now. Your task is to follow her. She walks slowly so this task is not hard. Once you have followed her far enough press the red light switch to open the door and she will be on the other side. Now Doc and Elenor will arrive. She will disappear again. Unlock the purple gate and carry on alone through the next few rooms. You have to make like Solid Snake and sneak past three sets of patrolling androids. Watch their patrol patterns on the map and make sure you don't get in their line of sight.
Once they have been avoided, you'll be in an open area where you must battle a WORKS soldier and two androids. There are also a few Gilchics to take out. Once they are dealt with carry on to find Doc and Elenor. If you did the Sue stuff and got the mag to move twice, then a short cut scene will occur. Sue will talk to Doc and Elenor, then warp down to the mines. The Mag you are carrying will move again and a glow will follow you briefly.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2006 18:09:06 GMT -5
But the Mag seems to move when your alone...I guess it's so Montague doesn't know Eleanor gave you the Mag.
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Post by nauticusvergil on Mar 15, 2006 18:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 15, 2006 18:18:09 GMT -5
Thank you. I will research over this piece of data and see if I can find a conclusion to what to do. For something so confusing, you would think they would at least give you a reward or something for completing the task of gathering everything. I mean, knowledge about what happened is ok, but that can only go so far as something neat (like the cannon Eleanor was using in Doc's Secret Plan)
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