randomdrifter
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Post by randomdrifter on Mar 27, 2009 1:49:40 GMT -5
Okay, so I got the inspiration to start this thread from a comment I read on ff.net and I've been yearning to hear what other Randall fans may have to say. I've been hooked on a story that unfortunately has not been updated in a while, but it has, in my opinion, THE best interaction going on between a grown Mary and Randall; something which has been difficult for other authors to convey. Anyhow, someone suggested that the story take a Mary/Randall turn (yes, a pairing) which at this point in the story, is quite possible. Since this was something that I would mull over from time to time as well, I did not feel like this type of pairing would be controversial or "gross", as the individual who suggested the idea guessed it would be for other readers. Keep in mind, the Mary of this story is older, and it would make more sense than having Randall, by some God-sent miracle, stumble into a gorgeous female monster in the human world (how convenient) and falling in love right then and there (umm...no). At least in this story, the author has taken the time to carefully build trust, to a certain extent on Randall's part, and genuine concern and friendship around the two characters; all of which ultimately DO often lead to mutual attraction and a relationship in real life when personalities are compatible as well. After all, individuals who are in good romantic relationships consider their mate to their best friend. I doubt Randall has ever had one of those, and now that he has been given the opportunity to find one in Mary, who’s to say? This is my take on this idea and I hope some of you will be willing to (maturely) share some of your own thoughts as well.
So please! Discuss away.
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 27, 2009 5:18:53 GMT -5
The fanfic is Mentalguru's "Connections", and I was the reader who made that suggestion, actually. I agree with you in that this is the first fic I've seen in which there is a believable and interesting relationship(not romantic at this point)between an older Mary and Randall, in the Human World. Mary is 17, and is a very intelligent, creative, determined and level-headed young woman, a far cry from the way most fanfic writers have depicted her as a teen(severely emo, Goth, self-mutilating, drug-addicted, abused, etc.). In a year, she will be a legal adult, and she's part of a secret organization of humans, mostly young people, who have taken it upon themselves to assist monsters stuck in the Human World, for whatever reason, and are up against some dark and secretive movement to convince the populace that monsters are evil and must be destroyed. I'll discuss this in greater detail when I get home; I've got to leave for work(school teacher), and have no computer access at work. Hopefully, the weather will permit me to get online for awhile once I'm home, since this is a topic I'd love to discuss.
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Post by DinoGirl on Mar 27, 2009 14:05:45 GMT -5
To be honest with you, until now, I had not read very much of that story Connections and now after settling down for around an hour of reading, I've fell in love with it and hope that the writer continues. What a idiot I've been for not reading it completely sooner... The story aggrees with what us Randall fans believe happened in the movie, which I'm particularly glad of. The writer may not be a complete Randall fan like we are, but the writer has the decency to look beyond what most Sulley fans do and see the background behind Randall's appearence in the movie. Oh, how I wish Ran had more screentime... that would just be awesome! Maybe even seeing things like screen tests or anything! It's kind of rare that we get to see stuff like that, and even though I've been through the Two Disk edition of Monsters Inc. on DVD countless times, I still feel that there could have been more involving our monster friend. Well, I'll turn back to the story... The plot is convincing enough. I really like the idea of a secret organisation set up after the incident at MI all those years back to help stray monsters. A handful of people have discovered the truth behind the unconvincible children's stories of monsters appearing from their closet doors. Add Randall into the equation... the poor soul has been banished for years and made to scavange and hunt to survive! A certainly dark setting for his character, but you can see that during his first encounter with a teenage Boo, he is still the person we all know. I'm glad that mentalguru has added Sulley's background during the story too. Adds more empathy to the settings. His guilt behind Randall's banishment has been eating away at him for a VERY long time... He really did not think it over when he sent him through that door did he . I am actually very addicted to reading it over and over again and I am soo in love with the fact that Randall seems so, 'real' in the story. It's amazing really... I cannot write anything that can make Randall seem the real. I am actually very proud of Randall in that story of overcoming his 'pride' to ask for help. He is a good person, it's just other monsters never saw him as one. After thinking of that, one person that you could now compare him too is Cera out of the Land Before Time (the 1st one in mind + Remeber, I'm a dino fan ;D). That scene with Randall actually crying reminded me of the scene where Cera is frightened by the gang and wanders off and the narrator says: "Cera was too proud to admit she'd gone the wrong way." Randall is similair in that pespective that he did not take Mary's advice to stick to the fruit juice. I could definatly see that story becoming more romantic between Randall and Mary. It wouldn't be disgusting. In the relationship they are already having now, Randall considers her a friend. Reverting away from the fact that the physical features are different, there personalitys are quite the same. When Mary sat on Randall's back after getting him down, that was quite a, well, clever scene. Shows even Randall can be outwitted by the 'feminine touch'. I'm wishing evermore here now that the writer will update that story. I'm dying to read more and I love it soo much after today! University certainly seems a hard time, but I'm glad that mentalguru is trying her best to keep up with her die hard fans who enjoy the works so much .
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Post by randomdrifter on Mar 27, 2009 14:32:13 GMT -5
Pitbulllady - Great! Yes, I recognized your username and I knew you were the reviewer who had left that comment. Can't wait to read your discussion. I'm at work also but computer use for personal reasons is prohibited (shame on me), so I will contribute properly to the discussion as soon as I get home.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 27, 2009 19:10:17 GMT -5
I checked the reviews for the story, and am actually surprised I hadn't reviewed the story...then again, it is, to me, rather recent and I had allot of work to tend to and didn't have much time to read anything.... *folds arms* I'm unsure how a relationship (romatic hasn't touched my thoughts just yet) between Randall and Boo would indeed be hard. Randall's told me he doesn't blame Mary for anything really...aside from the annoyance of a bat against his *laughs*...unsure how Mary would see him....then again Randall did partially an unintented job of a scarer, which was making kids stand up to their fears...so doubt Mary would fear Randall in the past sense if they met up again. Sure, there would be some tension between Scarer and kid...and sure if Mary understood Randall's situation at the time, and she probably would when older...they'd probably form a sort of understanding... Doubt they may have a romatic relationship...I mean...we've all heard of Romeo and Juliet...with the Montagues and the Capulets...I mean...Neither mass of society, Monster and Human, would relatively accept a cross relationship...and running and being shunned by many all the time would have to take a VERY strong bond...something, unfortunately wouldn't happen for anybody....
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 27, 2009 20:46:54 GMT -5
I checked the reviews for the story, and am actually surprised I hadn't reviewed the story...then again, it is, to me, rather recent and I had allot of work to tend to and didn't have much time to read anything.... *folds arms* I'm unsure how a relationship (romantic hasn't touched my thoughts just yet) between Randall and Boo would indeed be hard. Randall's told me he doesn't blame Mary for anything really...aside from the annoyance of a bat against his *laughs*...unsure how Mary would see him....then again Randall did partially an unintented job of a scarer, which was making kids stand up to their fears...so doubt Mary would fear Randall in the past sense if they met up again. Sure, there would be some tension between Scarer and kid...and sure if Mary understood Randall's situation at the time, and she probably would when older...they'd probably form a sort of understanding... Doubt they may have a romatic relationship...I mean...we've all heard of Romeo and Juliet...with the Montagues and the Capulets...I mean...Neither mass of society, Monster and Human, would relatively accept a cross relationship...and running and being shunned by many all the time would have to take a VERY strong bond...something, unfortunately wouldn't happen for anybody.... Have you actually READ the fanfic, Sean? Mary's character in this story is hardly concerned with what others think of her. She is not your stereotypical teen, concerned with fads and trends and being popular. She's well-liked, but that is because she's intelligent, level-headed and resourceful. She is very mature for her 17 years, and is part of a growing organized movement, analogous to the "Underground Railroad" of the pre-Civil War years, to help banished monsters in the Human World, and to try to gather public acceptance of monsters as our equals, as people in their own right, no matter how they look. Mary's and Randall's personalities mesh perfectly, whether this was intended by the writer or not. She is calm, unfazed by most things, level-headed and has this uncanny ability to "defuse" Randall's temper. In those respects, she perfectly offsets his weaknesses. On the other hand, she is similar to him-smart, creative, determined, resourceful and brave-they're like "Ying" and "Yang", a perfect compliment to each other. At the point in the story where the last chapter ends, Mary does not remember Randall, other than through subconscious memory. She does not remember Sulley, either, having moved from her house where he first knew her when she was four. Randall DOES remember her, though, and has realized that this young woman is that little kid he used to scare...and whom he very nearly used as a "Guinea pig" to test the Scream Extractor on. That is part of what makes this story so good-Randall is increasingly overwhelmed with guilt that his actions 15 years previous could have, intentionally or not, wound up killing the very individual who has saved him, nursed him back to health, and is still protecting him, and most of all, treats him like a PERSON and a friend, probably for the first time he's been treated like that in his entire life. It's obvious that they are becoming close friends and confidants, although there is sure to be conflict when Mary does finally find out who Randall is. I guess just how much conflict will depend on how close they've gotten by that point, and whether she finds out from HIM, or some other way, and realizes that he's known who she was all along and just didn't tell her. This story is set in the future, so who knows just what society will dictate is or is not acceptable by that point, and it's very much analogous to the race relations between different groups of humans in our world not so many decades ago, as there is a group who is trying to help monsters in our world, while another, more sinister group, tries to portray monsters as evil creatures who are out to do us harm and who must be stopped at all costs. There is a strong hint that both Randall and Mary will have to stick together to face danger from that latter group later on, and I can definitely see the potential for them to grow closer through that. Meanwhile, Sulley, back in the Monster World, is also overcome with guilt over what HE did to Randall, and wants to find out once and for all what Randall's ultimate fate really was, as well as obsessed with finding Mary, so it seems that at some point, his path will once again cross theirs. I'm really intrigued by the thought of him finally locating both of them...and discovering that his erstwhile rival and the little girl that he'd tried to "save" from said rival have met once again, and now have forged a very deep and unbreakable bond with one another, and yes, such a bond CAN happen, maybe not for just anybody, but as this fanfic was written, the chemistry between Randall and Mary was simply perfect. pitbulllady
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 27, 2009 20:50:43 GMT -5
*blinks*
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 27, 2009 20:52:52 GMT -5
Note that I will eventually get to reading it someday...though currently I'm mostly swapped with three coming-up specials, a single project, and...well...the usual stuff ^_^;
And by what I mean in my post was just a...generalization of thoughts on a relationship between the two...
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randomdrifter
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Post by randomdrifter on Mar 27, 2009 22:11:08 GMT -5
RandallBoggs/Sean – Your idea had never crossed my mind. I was more concerned with what readers would have to say about the pairing than the actual characters and their respective worlds. Mary seems to be very influential among her group of peers and the organization, and while her choice in a partner may initially throw off a few of her friends (particularly Jack, but more so because of his intense dislike for Randall), eventually they will come to terms with their relationship. Members of the organization are very open to monsters; they even have them as members; and they all interact with each other as equals rather than foreigners from two completely different worlds. In other words, they do not seem to differentiate from one another. There is a chance that other humans, ever fearful and hateful of the unknown, will see this type of relationship as everything from unnatural to sinful. However, I too believe that Randall and Mary are capable of creating a very strong bond that they will not be willing to sacrifice for the sake of belonging. Randall has already been shunned in his own world, and as a monster he has no concern of status or reputation in the human world, so what else has he got to lose? If you’re looking at this positively, it may help him and his world a great deal. A romantic relationship between a human and a monster could serve as a stepping stone for creating understanding between the two species by educating humans and proving that monsters and our own kind are more alike than different. You really should read the story so you can be informed and contribute more to the topic!
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 27, 2009 22:19:19 GMT -5
What do you mean "real world readers"?/// Oh you...changed it...I guess you did so it didn't appear insult-ish...well alright I think I get what you were saying now ^_^ I happen to be an avid reader at the M.I. section and had reviewed at least once to every piece on there Though unfortunately I had other matters to attend to so my reading was distracted. Well complete understanding won't happen unfortunately, seeing as how humans were the first to cast the stone in turning away a hand Monsters gave to them so many years ago... I felt to at least say something on a new member's first new thread instead of nothing
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randomdrifter
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Post by randomdrifter on Mar 27, 2009 22:44:23 GMT -5
Okay, I modified my post to clear up any misunderstandings. What I meant to say was "real world people" (meaning US).
Your reading the fic was a suggestion, not an ultimatum.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 27, 2009 22:48:05 GMT -5
Well true, but that's what I was saying in general. The question was about a Mary/Randall relationship right?
Actually to show good grace, I paused my work and took a look at the first chapter and reviewed...quite impressed actually at MG's work...surprised at myself I didn't look at that first chapter...*coughs* Ahem anyway...I'll look on the chapters when I can and would give a better opinion as I go along.
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randomdrifter
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Post by randomdrifter on Mar 28, 2009 3:07:07 GMT -5
Dinogirl - Truth be told, I'm glad Sulley has been going over emotional turmoil over his actions and I am even more glad that the author describes in her story that there are consequences to actions. The guy hasn't had peace of mind and I personally think it's well deserved.
Returning to Randall/Boo -
Another scenario that I have thought about several times was Randall actually turning into Mary's protector, which would be another perfect twist; him doing everything within his power to keep her out of harm’s way, maybe even going so far as to risk his own life for her. It would make things much more interesting and anguishing for Sulley when he reunites with Boo and finds out that the unconditional affection she had given him as a child is now being directed towards someone else: Randall. It’ll be pretty ironic that Randall, of all monsters, unintentionally now has what is most important to Sulley (Boo’s trust and friendship, which he has lost over the years because of his absence) and that years back Sulley had what was most important to Randall then (recognition, the limelight). But now that Randall is in the human world, he has no need to push himself to extreme lengths to become acceptable by someone else’s standards. Mary accepts Randall exactly for who he is, temper and all; she has even grown fond of his tendencies to be “an idiot over the little things.” I’ve absolutely fallen in love with they way they bicker and interact with one another, particularly because there is now a sense of deep caring and genuine emotional attachment where there was once fear.
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Post by RandallBoggs on Mar 28, 2009 19:09:02 GMT -5
Though I DO have a grudge against Sullivan's actions, I truely think he IS the kind to feel guilty for his actions. We may see some of that for Randall at the end there since, as MG showed in the story and others have, myself included, that when the topic of Boo comes up, Ran ain't far behind. *looks up* Ran's told me that he knows Sullivan's probably guilty...but early on he added that's not enough...*shrugs* but that was years ago really...
Actually that's a good scenario RD ^_^ What I caught in the story is that, despite having parents of his own, Sullivan is reminded, thanks to his "friend", that he doesn't yet have a family of his own, and that he considered Boo a sort of daughter. And that he lost him well...is a loss. *looks up* Actually imagined a part of Randall devilously reminding Sullivan of that fact. And if he became sort of Boo's protector, that would make things more interesting. Boo being protected by the one Sullivan had thought was trying to hurt her...and Boo would trust Randall more than Sullivan. And it's kind of a non-lethal revenge on Randall's part that Sullivan lost the relationship with her in turn for him. Oh yes, quite a switcharoo really... Whoa be careful about the idioit comment ^0^ Thankful Ran doesn't comment on the board much this past year ^0^ You know I asked him what he thought 15 years would be like out in the human world and...he was actually shocked 0_0 "15 years? I...wouldn't have been able to survive that long...". *nods* And in all honesty I can't see SULLIVAN being CEO for that long 0_o
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Post by pitbulllady on Mar 28, 2009 21:05:30 GMT -5
Though I DO have a grudge against Sullivan's actions, I truely think he IS the kind to feel guilty for his actions. We may see some of that for Randall at the end there since, as MG showed in the story and others have, myself included, that when the topic of Boo comes up, Ran ain't far behind. *looks up* Ran's told me that he knows Sullivan's probably guilty...but early on he added that's not enough...*shrugs* but that was years ago really... Actually that's a good scenario RD ^_^ What I caught in the story is that, despite having parents of his own, Sullivan is reminded, thanks to his "friend", that he doesn't yet have a family of his own, and that he considered Boo a sort of daughter. And that he lost him well...is a loss. *looks up* Actually imagined a part of Randall devilously reminding Sullivan of that fact. And if he became sort of Boo's protector, that would make things more interesting. Boo being protected by the one Sullivan had thought was trying to hurt her...and Boo would trust Randall more than Sullivan. And it's kind of a non-lethal revenge on Randall's part that Sullivan lost the relationship with her in turn for him. Oh yes, quite a switcharoo really... Whoa be careful about the idioit comment ^0^ Thankful Ran doesn't comment on the board much this past year ^0^ You know I asked him what he thought 15 years would be like out in the human world and...he was actually shocked 0_0 "15 years? I...wouldn't have been able to survive that long...". *nods* And in all honesty I can't see SULLIVAN being CEO for that long 0_o The "idiot over the little things" is actually a quote from the fanfic itself, not Randomdrifter's own comment. It was made by Mary, in reference to Randall's tendency to get all riled up over relatively trivial things and his hard-headedness about admitting when he's wrong. It's quite true, too, although I guess I don't have much room to talk, lol. Must be an Irish thing! pitbulllady
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